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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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So your argument is that because the birthrate is dropping, this will help prevent Koreans from taking your job in the near future because there will be too few to do so? Did you even think about what your argument implicates or are you just trying to argue for the sake of it?
I could logically infer that fewer children means fewer teachers are needed. Furthermore, when these children are grown up you will have a smaller tax base and funding for generous programs through EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE etc will be much harder to do. I believe cheaper options, which would be locals with more than enough English skill to do the job, will be looked upon favourably at that time which isn't too hard to fathom. |
I wasn't talking about teachers per se. I was talking about engineers and other high-skilled laborers. My argument is that there will always be a certain number of jobs to be filled. Korea is already below the replacement rate and the birthrate is projected to fall further. Korea is rapidly becoming an aging society and there will be workers needed to support the ones that retire on pensions. This will include teachers as well.
Anyway as I have said before if one is a competent teacher then there will always be jobs...maybe not in Korea but elsewhere. Korea is not the be-all and end-all for teachers so if Koreans do take your job you simply move elsewhere. And if you are good at what you do, there will be something available. It has been that way throughout recorded history and I don't see the foreseeable future being any different. People with good skill sets tend to prosper. |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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...except that the number of students needing to be taught is dropping at exactly the same rate...
...and white collar jobs will remain filled regardless of the low birthrate...
Only manual labor/unskilled/blue collar jobs like street sweeper, garbageman, janitor, potato peeler, etc. will be vacant.
EFL for foreigners will eventually dwindle. Maybe not die, but dwindle. And when that happens, I plan to have 거주권 or a 영주권 so I can do another job. |
This as well.
Teaching English is actually seen as an OK job and will continue to become more attractive for lower middle - middle class Koreans in the future. They see the jobs available and know that although the pay is lower the working conditions are not nearly as bad as being a slave in a Chaebol.
Europe's birthrate has been dropping for years and they aren't worried about filling decent jobs. Those will always be filled. It is the lower-class jobs that need doing.
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| EFL for foreigners will eventually dwindle. Maybe not die, but dwindle. And when that happens, I plan to have 거주권 or a 영주권 so I can do another job |
I think what keeps everyone sleeping at night is that there are other markets to go to. When Korea fizzles, there will be China, Vietnam, Cambodia and many other countries to go to as a backup plan to ride out the next 10 years.
As someone who likes Korea a lot and wants to stay here for the long haul, I'm really not optimistic about the ESL situation here in the long run.
Rooster, I think you are wise to get your PR ASAP and start looking around for other things to do. I was thinking about doing an MA TESOL but I don't want to be 45 years old teaching 20 hours a week at a uni for 3 million WON per month and organizing/teaching kiddie camps like a BA newbie for 3 of the 5 months of my vacation time. I know I sound like a downer but yes, I do also believe that the number of jobs will dwindle as well as the benefits. Although many good positions still remain we are seeing this already with many university jobs. |
I agree with most of this.
White collar jobs will always be filled. The people holding those positions may be less qualified than before, or they might have to pay them more, but they will still be filled.
Other markets are emerging. Maybe Vietnam and China will be the new Koreas. Maybe North Korea will be the new South Korea if and when it finally opens up. And what of Mongolia?
However, I do not frown too much when I think about the future of Japan and Korea. This is because I actually don't mind certain forms of blue collar work. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that I'd rather hold certain blue collar/service sector jobs than teach English, so the demographic shift is actually not an unhappy thing for me.  |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't talking about teachers per se. |
Well, you quoted me where I was talking about.... English teachers ....and why I believe we will be replaceable in the future. You snipped one part out and argued against it. Please don't cherry pick parts of my post and take them out of context. I'm not talking about other jobs in general. The one that concerns 99.9% of us here is teaching English and I would like to stick to that please if you are going to engage me in some kind of discussion and quote my posts. For someone that accuses other posters of taking your comments out of context you sure seem to do it a bit yourself. Either that or you just realized that your argument was flawed and are now backtracking.
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| I was talking about engineers and other high-skilled laborers. My argument is that there will always be a certain number of jobs to be filled. Korea is already below the replacement rate and the birthrate is projected to fall further. Korea is rapidly becoming an aging society and there will be workers needed to support the ones that retire on pensions. This will include teachers as well. |
Korea is already overeducated. Filling engineering or teaching positions won't be as difficult as you think when the vast majority of Korean kids go to university and many are already and increasingly becoming underemployed. Labour type work (plumbing, construction, welding etc) is seen as poor man's work in Korea and even if the money is fine in the future, image will still be even more important. Public perception of employment and status is much more important here so yes, I would agree that they will need labourers in the future. When I told students that was the case in Canada, they all said to me that Korea will eventually develop technologies that will phase most of those jobs out. The competition will still be there for the upper-middle class+ jobs as this society is too driven in terms of class mobility and status.
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| Anyway as I have said before if one is a competent teacher then there will always be jobs...maybe not in Korea but elsewhere. Korea is not the be-all and end-all for teachers so if Koreans do take your job you simply move elsewhere. |
So what are you trying to say? That conditions may PERHAPS worsen for us because we are replaceable but that is ok because since we are all good teachers we can just go somewhere else? If you are addressing me (and you have been quoting me so I assume that you are) I will say again that I am someone that is wanting to stay in Korea for the long haul. I gave my reasons as to why teaching English here won't be that great in the near future and have thus started to think about other lines of work. You came in and said because of a declining birthrate it won't be that bad and we will be needed. You then backtracked to say that you meant unskilled labourers and other professions and not necessarily ESL teachers even though you quoted a piece of my post that was talking about working in the ESL industry and being "replaceable." If that was not the case and you truly meant "all professions" then say that and please do not quote pieces of my post out of context.
Now you are essentially saying "oh well if it is like that then just leave and go somewhere else." This is hardly constructive for people like myself who want to stay in Korea long-term and argue that the ESL industry isn't exactly that safe here, F-2-7 visa or not.
I can see why many posters don't bother with you. You employ the same tactics as many of the "Korea-bashers" that you pour your heart and soul into fighting against for ridiculous amounts of time. I'm out. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't talking about teachers per se. |
Well, you quoted me where I was talking about.... English teachers ....and why I believe we will be replaceable in the future. You snipped one part out and argued against it. Please don't cherry pick parts of my post and take them out of context. I'm not talking about other jobs in general. The one that concerns 99.9% of us here is teaching English and I would like to stick to that please if you are going to engage me in some kind of discussion and quote my posts. For someone that accuses other posters of taking your comments out of context you sure seem to do it a bit yourself. Either that or you just realized that your argument was flawed and are now backtracking.
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| First of all I didn't snip out any relevant part. You were addressing two people in that post and I only took out the party where you were addressing the other poster. This relates to CONTEXT which you are so bitterly complaining about. I took the ENTIRE post which was addressed to me and quoted it. So stop with the cherry picking accusations if you would. I don't speak for other people hence why I didn't include that other part. Fabrication number one. |
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| I was talking about engineers and other high-skilled laborers. My argument is that there will always be a certain number of jobs to be filled. Korea is already below the replacement rate and the birthrate is projected to fall further. Korea is rapidly becoming an aging society and there will be workers needed to support the ones that retire on pensions. This will include teachers as well. |
Korea is already overeducated. Filling engineering or teaching positions won't be as difficult as you think when the vast majority of Korean kids go to university and many are already and increasingly becoming underemployed. Labour type work (plumbing, construction, welding etc) is seen as poor man's work in Korea and even if the money is fine in the future, image will still be even more important. Public perception of employment and status is much more important here so yes, I would agree that they will need labourers in the future. When I told students that was the case in Canada, they all said to me that Korea will eventually develop technologies that will phase most of those jobs out. The competition will still be there for the upper-middle class+ jobs as this society is too driven in terms of class mobility and status.
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| Well if you are using the unfounded speculation of students to bolster your argument, then it's already demolished. |
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| Anyway as I have said before if one is a competent teacher then there will always be jobs...maybe not in Korea but elsewhere. Korea is not the be-all and end-all for teachers so if Koreans do take your job you simply move elsewhere. |
So what are you trying to say? That conditions may PERHAPS worsen for us because we are replaceable but that is ok because since we are all good teachers we can just go somewhere else? If you are addressing me (and you have been quoting me so I assume that you are) I will say again that I am someone that is wanting to stay in Korea for the long haul. I gave my reasons as to why teaching English here won't be that great in the near future and have thus started to think about other lines of work. You came in and said because of a declining birthrate it won't be that bad and we will be needed. You then backtracked to say that you meant unskilled labourers and other professions and not necessarily ESL teachers even though you quoted a piece of my post that was talking about working in the ESL industry and being "replaceable." If that was not the case and you truly meant "all professions" then say that and please do not quote pieces of my post out of context.
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| As I said I did not quote anything out of context. I quoted the entire part where you were addressing me. And I said nothing about "unskilled labourers" I said "HIGH-SKILLED laborers" In future perhaps you should reconsider accusing others about quoting out of context when you can't even quote them accurately. That's fabrication number two. |
Now you are essentially saying "oh well if it is like that then just leave and go somewhere else." This is hardly constructive for people like myself who want to stay in Korea long-term and argue that the ESL industry isn't exactly that safe here, F-2-7 visa or not.
I can see why many posters don't bother with you. You employ the same tactics as many of the "Korea-bashers" that you pour your heart and soul into fighting against for ridiculous amounts of time. I'm out. |
[quote="TheUrbanMyth"] Many posters? Name the names of these "many" posters.  Is this fabrication number 3? |
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rooster_2006
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't talking about teachers per se. |
Well, you quoted me where I was talking about.... English teachers ....and why I believe we will be replaceable in the future. You snipped one part out and argued against it. Please don't cherry pick parts of my post and take them out of context. I'm not talking about other jobs in general. The one that concerns 99.9% of us here is teaching English and I would like to stick to that please if you are going to engage me in some kind of discussion and quote my posts. For someone that accuses other posters of taking your comments out of context you sure seem to do it a bit yourself. Either that or you just realized that your argument was flawed and are now backtracking.
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| First of all I didn't snip out any relevant part. You were addressing two people in that post and I only took out the party where you were addressing the other poster. This relates to CONTEXT which you are so bitterly complaining about. I took the ENTIRE post which was addressed to me and quoted it. So stop with the cherry picking accusations if you would. I don't speak for other people hence why I didn't include that other part. Fabrication number one. |
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| I was talking about engineers and other high-skilled laborers. My argument is that there will always be a certain number of jobs to be filled. Korea is already below the replacement rate and the birthrate is projected to fall further. Korea is rapidly becoming an aging society and there will be workers needed to support the ones that retire on pensions. This will include teachers as well. |
Korea is already overeducated. Filling engineering or teaching positions won't be as difficult as you think when the vast majority of Korean kids go to university and many are already and increasingly becoming underemployed. Labour type work (plumbing, construction, welding etc) is seen as poor man's work in Korea and even if the money is fine in the future, image will still be even more important. Public perception of employment and status is much more important here so yes, I would agree that they will need labourers in the future. When I told students that was the case in Canada, they all said to me that Korea will eventually develop technologies that will phase most of those jobs out. The competition will still be there for the upper-middle class+ jobs as this society is too driven in terms of class mobility and status.
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| Well if you are using the unfounded speculation of students to bolster your argument, then it's already demolished. |
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| Anyway as I have said before if one is a competent teacher then there will always be jobs...maybe not in Korea but elsewhere. Korea is not the be-all and end-all for teachers so if Koreans do take your job you simply move elsewhere. |
So what are you trying to say? That conditions may PERHAPS worsen for us because we are replaceable but that is ok because since we are all good teachers we can just go somewhere else? If you are addressing me (and you have been quoting me so I assume that you are) I will say again that I am someone that is wanting to stay in Korea for the long haul. I gave my reasons as to why teaching English here won't be that great in the near future and have thus started to think about other lines of work. You came in and said because of a declining birthrate it won't be that bad and we will be needed. You then backtracked to say that you meant unskilled labourers and other professions and not necessarily ESL teachers even though you quoted a piece of my post that was talking about working in the ESL industry and being "replaceable." If that was not the case and you truly meant "all professions" then say that and please do not quote pieces of my post out of context.
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| As I said I did not quote anything out of context. I quoted the entire part where you were addressing me. And I said nothing about "unskilled labourers" I said "HIGH-SKILLED laborers" In future perhaps you should reconsider accusing others about quoting out of context when you can't even quote them accurately. That's fabrication number two. |
Now you are essentially saying "oh well if it is like that then just leave and go somewhere else." This is hardly constructive for people like myself who want to stay in Korea long-term and argue that the ESL industry isn't exactly that safe here, F-2-7 visa or not.
I can see why many posters don't bother with you. You employ the same tactics as many of the "Korea-bashers" that you pour your heart and soul into fighting against for ridiculous amounts of time. I'm out. |
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| Many posters? Name the names of these "many" posters. Is this fabrication number 3? |
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I agree with misher on this one. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I went to the immigration office with all of my documents...
First I gave him the rubric, then we followed along one-by-one, where he would check my point claim then ask for the relevant evidence.
I provided my:
Topik test result paper
Tax receipt
Proof of employment
Employment contract copy
Original Degree(just showed this)/Degree Certificate
And the regular stuff -- completed form #34, passport, Arc, and 60,000.
And ... they took it! I have to wait 2 weeks or so for them to process it.
Random notes:
-The immigration officer was very nice. No hostility real or perceived.
-Everyone knew about the visa - I didn't have to explain anything to anyone
-Visa will be good for 3 years at which point I can apply for the F5
So, yeah... possible. Not easy, but possible. |
Excellent news. So it would appear this visa is for anyone who can meet the above point criteria.
That's definitely a step in the right directions
Kudos for posting your experience here. Appreciate it. |
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misher
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:17 am Post subject: |
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misher wrote:
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I wasn't talking about teachers per se.
Well, you quoted me where I was talking about.... English teachers ....and why I believe we will be replaceable in the future. You snipped one part out and argued against it. Please don't cherry pick parts of my post and take them out of context. I'm not talking about other jobs in general. The one that concerns 99.9% of us here is teaching English and I would like to stick to that please if you are going to engage me in some kind of discussion and quote my posts. For someone that accuses other posters of taking your comments out of context you sure seem to do it a bit yourself. Either that or you just realized that your argument was flawed and are now backtracking.
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First of all I didn't snip out any relevant part. You were addressing two people in that post and I only took out the party where you were addressing the other poster. This relates to CONTEXT which you are so bitterly complaining about. I took the ENTIRE post which was addressed to me and quoted it. So stop with the cherry picking accusations if you would. I don't speak for other people hence why I didn't include that other part. Fabrication number one. |
And I was talking about ESL teachers only in terms of getting an F-2 with those other posters. If you couldn't get that from my post re-read it please. Your quote made it look like I was arguing that giving out an F-2-7 is pointless all around. It isn't as I said in terms of skilled professionals that the Korean government holds in high regard (engineers etc). If your argument was directed to the posters about a skilled labour shortage due to the birthrate then there was absolutely no need to quote me. Quote them and contribute to their discussion. You did however quote to possibly make me look stupid. I only care because it is hypocrisy on your part. You accuse other posters of doing the same thing yet you do it too. Quote more carefully please. You rip others for it. I'm ripping you for it.
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Now you are essentially saying "oh well if it is like that then just leave and go somewhere else." This is hardly constructive for people like myself who want to stay in Korea long-term and argue that the ESL industry isn't exactly that safe here, F-2-7 visa or not.
I can see why many posters don't bother with you. You employ the same tactics as many of the "Korea-bashers" that you pour your heart and soul into fighting against for ridiculous amounts of time. I'm out.
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Many posters? Name the names of these "many" posters. Is this fabrication number 3? |
I've been around here long enough and have seen you get into it with many posters. I'm sorry TUM you have a reputation for getting in the face of posters with your agenda no matter how asinine the topic is, is quite well known. Your "post links to threads" as your last stand also works well in your favour because most posters here don't have hours to waste here everyday and dig up links. I'll just go on what I've seen and your general reputation on this board ok? I'm sorry if that isn't good enough for you. I've already wasted both of my breaks today and I am getting nowhere.
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Korea is already overeducated. Filling engineering or teaching positions won't be as difficult as you think when the vast majority of Korean kids go to university and many are already and increasingly becoming underemployed. Labour type work (plumbing, construction, welding etc) is seen as poor man's work in Korea and even if the money is fine in the future, image will still be even more important. Public perception of employment and status is much more important here so yes, I would agree that they will need labourers in the future. When I told students that was the case in Canada, they all said to me that Korea will eventually develop technologies that will phase most of those jobs out. The competition will still be there for the upper-middle class+ jobs as this society is too driven in terms of class mobility and status.
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Well if you are using the unfounded speculation of students to bolster your argument, then it's already demolished.
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Anyway as I have said before if one is a competent teacher then there will always be jobs...maybe not in Korea but elsewhere. Korea is not the be-all and end-all for teachers so if Koreans do take your job you simply move elsewhere.
So what are you trying to say? That conditions may PERHAPS worsen for us because we are replaceable but that is ok because since we are all good teachers we can just go somewhere else? If you are addressing me (and you have been quoting me so I assume that you are) I will say again that I am someone that is wanting to stay in Korea for the long haul. I gave my reasons as to why teaching English here won't be that great in the near future and have thus started to think about other lines of work. You came in and said because of a declining birthrate it won't be that bad and we will be needed. You then backtracked to say that you meant unskilled labourers and other professions and not necessarily ESL teachers even though you quoted a piece of my post that was talking about working in the ESL industry and being "replaceable." If that was not the case and you truly meant "all professions" then say that and please do not quote pieces of my post out of context.
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As I said I did not quote anything out of context. I quoted the entire part where you were addressing me. And I said nothing about "unskilled labourers" I said "HIGH-SKILLED laborers" In future perhaps you should reconsider accusing others about quoting out of context when you can't even quote them accurately. That's fabrication number two. |
Moving the goalposts again? Ok let me give you a suggestion. Learn the Korean language and talk to Koreans about how they perceive "grease monkey" type jobs. I'm assuming by "high skilled" you mean plumbers, construction foremen, welders, carpenters etc correct? Could you enlighten me here? Seeing that we are talking about South Korea, whether a job is a specialized high skill laborious job (pipe fitter/welder etc) or a low skill one hauling cement blocks around a construction site, to general Korean society it is still a grease monkey type job and image wise shameful and poor. Potato/Potato get it? If you want to deflect what we have been talking about to this and my sloppiness to irrelevant details then go ahead. It seems to be a strategy for you for getting people to stop banging their heads against the wall and shut up as your avatar says.
Do you want links for that too? I'm finished here.
Apologies to anyone for derailing this thread. I wish luck to all the people applying for their F-2-7's in the near future. Hopefully success stories will start rolling in! |
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Died By Bear
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
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ttompatz
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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If so, then what is the benefit of an F-5 over an F-2-1 other than being able to divorce your spouse and stay? Assuming you want to stay married, what is the incentive to get an F-5 now exactly? |
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crossmr
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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If so, then what is the benefit of an F-5 over an F-2-1 other than being able to divorce your spouse and stay? Assuming you want to stay married, what is the incentive to get an F-5 now exactly? |
F5s can vote, run for local public office, and can also sponsor an F2 themselves. If a foreign couple were married, and one spouse qualified for the points visa, after 3 years he could turn around and sponsor his wife for a residency visa to open up her work possibilities and things like that. |
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rooster_2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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If so, then what is the benefit of an F-5 over an F-2-1 other than being able to divorce your spouse and stay? Assuming you want to stay married, what is the incentive to get an F-5 now exactly? |
F5s can vote, run for local public office, and can also sponsor an F2 themselves. If a foreign couple were married, and one spouse qualified for the points visa, after 3 years he could turn around and sponsor his wife for a residency visa to open up her work possibilities and things like that. |
I know that they can vote in local elections (NOT national elections), but...
RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE?
Are you sure you aren't talking about citizenship? |
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rooster_2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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So what does that mean, exactly?
Does that mean you can keep the F-5 simply by taking a short vacation to Korea every two years? |
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crossmr
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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If so, then what is the benefit of an F-5 over an F-2-1 other than being able to divorce your spouse and stay? Assuming you want to stay married, what is the incentive to get an F-5 now exactly? |
F5s can vote, run for local public office, and can also sponsor an F2 themselves. If a foreign couple were married, and one spouse qualified for the points visa, after 3 years he could turn around and sponsor his wife for a residency visa to open up her work possibilities and things like that. |
I know that they can vote in local elections (NOT national elections), but...
RUN FOR PUBLIC OFFICE?
Are you sure you aren't talking about citizenship? |
So far as has been widely reported here, I'm sure at some point someone provided actually links on it. F5s can run in local elections, not national ones. They can run for the same ones they can vote for. Doesn't mean they'd ever win. The biggest perk as far as I can see is the ability to sponsor an F2 yourself. A spouse might not have the education or korean ability to get an F2 points on their own.
plus it technically doesn't expire. at all. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Does the F5 have an expiration date if you've left the country? I had heard it was one year. |
As of Dec. 1 it is 2 years.
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So what does that mean, exactly?
Does that mean you can keep the F-5 simply by taking a short vacation to Korea every two years? |
I don't know, I left Korea 11 months ago and I want to keep my F5, so I was going to call immi and ask them how long I can stay outside of Korea without losing the F5.
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