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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| Changes things a lot, but there is a lot higher chance for you to get the job. |
Eloquently phrased.  |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah I understand SNU is pretty much the top dog and all, but the info says it's still one of the top 3 Korean universities.  |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CtotheB wrote: |
| Shocking development: It's not SNU, but rather University of Seoul. I wonder if that changes anything? I'll adjust my posts accordingly so as to not confuse others. |
Sir, you are IN LIKE FLYNN!!! YEEEEEEEEE HAAAAA!!! (Rides bomb all the way into the ground). |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| Yeah I understand SNU is pretty much the top dog and all, but the info says it's still one of the top 3 Korean universities. |
SKY mean anything to you? Seoul National, Korea, Yonsei. The OP revealed it is the University of Seoul (far down the list), not SNU. |
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McGenghis
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Gangneung
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Ttompatz hath spoken. Though that does not automatically mean /thread, it does kind of feel like continuing to fish for trout after you landed Moby Dick. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah I've heard that term before, but I would take it with a grain of salt. I see that it's not SNU the OP is looking at, but the University of Seoul is still a top school. SNU is the best, but Yonsei and Korea are just large, not necessarily the undisputed top 3. U of S is still a really good school, as are Songtan, Hanyang, Hongik... |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| RMNC wrote: |
| Yeah I've heard that term before, but I would take it with a grain of salt. I see that it's not SNU the OP is looking at, but the University of Seoul is still a top school. SNU is the best, but Yonsei and Korea are just large, not necessarily the undisputed top 3. U of S is still a really good school, as are Songtan, Hanyang, Hongik... |
SNU, Korea, and Yonsei universities are the top 3, that's why everyone refers to them as the SKY universities. You don't hear anyone saying SHY (Seoul, Hongik/Hanyang, Yonsei).
Hongik and Hanyang, in particular, are very good universities, but they are not top 3. Hanyang is top 10. Songtan? No, not even sure if there is a Songtan University.
University of Seoul is a fine school, but not even in the same ballpark as an SNU, Yonsei, or even Hongik. |
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CtotheB
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I would work at GBKU (General Backwater Korea University), if it meant skipping over the hagwon/public school system, in a heartbeat. I'm not worried about the minutiae of which university it is, I suppose, any university is better than none at all. |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| CtotheB wrote: |
| I would work at GBKU (General Backwater Korea University), if it meant skipping over the hagwon/public school system, in a heartbeat. I'm not worried about the minutiae of which university it is, I suppose, any university is better than none at all. |
 Smart man. Good luck. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| CtotheB wrote: |
| I would work at GBKU (General Backwater Korea University), if it meant skipping over the hagwon/public school system, in a heartbeat. I'm not worried about the minutiae of which university it is, I suppose, any university is better than none at all. |
I did this for a brief period....
Not worth it....sorry....you'll be bored out of your mind....especially since the only available young people to date are your students....
Many smaller towns and cities look like a Florida retirement community.....some families and a hell of a lot of old people.
The Uni job was great though. |
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[email protected]
Joined: 28 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| Well done if you get the job but I�d think twice about what kind of place you�d be working at if you were offered it. Wouldn�t you think it was a fairly amateurish set up to employ a guy straight out of Uni with not much experience or real qualifications? If they normally employ people with the right credentials, how do you think your future colleagues (with their MAs and years of experience) will feel having to work alongside someone who is not really equipped for the job but knows someone who makes the decisions? How will the students feel if they find out you�re not properly qualified. Why wouldn�t your lecturer have considered all these issues before she made her rash offer? I would like to think TomPpatz was wrong about this one but if you are offered the job I�d say it adds even more fuel to the argument that Korean universities really don�t take TEFL seriously. |
Compared to even a decent hagwon or public school position, a crappy university job wins hands down. If he's just starting out and can land a job at ANY university, he's ahead of the ballgame. Even if it's not great...a year of uni experience is going to go a long ways in lining up a 2nd uni position.
Also....I realize that you work at a good university, where undoubtedly it is different....but the vast majority of universities in Korea still hire fairly unqualified English lecturers...not recent grads, but it's pretty easy to get "a" university job if you have 2 years of experience and are professional and can interview well.
Our school claims to take TEFL seriously, but I don't buy it.....I wouldn't be surprised at all if they hired a recent grad into the English department if he/she was good buds with one of the other profs. |
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Tamada
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| zappadelta wrote: |
| Hongik and Hanyang, in particular, are very good universities, but they are not top 3. |
Hongik is excellent in terms of the package for any esl instructor. Hongik is an excellent uni for to study art and design.
Overall though, Hongik is NOT considered to be a top uni and most certainly is NOT ranked in the top ten of Korean universities. |
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zappadelta
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Tamada wrote: |
| zappadelta wrote: |
| Hongik and Hanyang, in particular, are very good universities, but they are not top 3. |
Hongik is excellent in terms of the package for any esl instructor. Hongik is an excellent uni for to study art and design.
Overall though, Hongik is NOT considered to be a top uni and most certainly is NOT ranked in the top ten of Korean universities. |
That's what I said |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| [email protected] wrote: |
| Compared to even a decent hagwon or public school position, a crappy university job wins hands down. If he's just starting out and can land a job at ANY university, he's ahead of the ballgame. Even if it's not great...a year of uni experience is going to go a long ways in lining up a 2nd uni position. |
You're right. A uni job is better than any academy job and at least comparable to a public school position, but uni jobs come with a set of challenges and responsibilities that a fresh-out-of-uni grad will have difficulties with. I have seen experienced teachers with better quals coming into a uni position for the first time and having trouble with routine tasks like writing syllabi, keeping records, designing exams, and dealing with student issues. Imagine the classroom management problems an early-to-mid 20s grad might have - some of the students will be older than him, having done their military duty, and they might not take him seriously. I've seen this happen*, it leads to a terrible learning environment. The teacher feels awkward and humiliated, the students take the piss and nobody gets anything out of the class.
I think that either the Korean prof is being irresponsible, or that the OP is not fully comprehending what is being offered; i.e. a young learners program affiliated with a uni, or something of the like.
Buyer beware.
*Male, 25 years old, 1 year academy exp. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
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You're right. A uni job is better than any academy job and at least comparable to a public school position, but uni jobs come with a set of challenges and responsibilities that a fresh-out-of-uni grad will have difficulties with. I have seen experienced teachers with better quals coming into a uni position for the first time and having trouble with routine tasks like writing syllabi, keeping records, designing exams, and dealing with student issues. Imagine the classroom management problems an early-to-mid 20s grad might have - some of the students will be older than him, having done their military duty, and they might not take him seriously. I've seen this happen*, it leads to a terrible learning environment. The teacher feels awkward and humiliated, the students take the piss and nobody gets anything out of the class.
I think that either the Korean prof is being irresponsible, or that the OP is not fully comprehending what is being offered; i.e. a young learners program affiliated with a uni, or something of the like.
Buyer beware. |
On the other hand, there are quite a lot of unis out there filled with these type of teachers, and they all cooperate to perpetuate what basically amounts to a load of nothing.
Often the students won't mind if you give the majority of them high grades for smiling and talking to you in a cute tone of voice (they'll catch on).
They'll write sparkling evaluations for your kindness and understanding, and the university higher-ups will be grateful that everyone's happy ensuring the tuition money keeps flowing.
So if you're up for the game, come on in! You may even be able to date some your students, if not during the semester, then afterwards. |
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