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Globutron
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Mine went through both world wars, but he still says the South should destroy the North.
Possibly senile. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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South Koreans have become too in love with their toys, money and materialism to care about a few of their own citizens being killed. They're determined to hang onto their halcyon days as long as possible. Why have a war when the average ajosshi owns a new hyundai, sleeps with 10 prostitutes at the barbers shop every week, and has the latest LCD TV? Life is too good.
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| It is very odd to allow your own citizens to be attacked killed and do nothing about it. By nothing I mean strike back militarily. Some might say that it wouldn't be "worth it" since it is just a few people but how many people should SK allow to be killed? Should there be a certain quota each month? each year? 1? 10? 100? etc? |
Exactly.
NK could probably shell the northern suburbs of Seoul and get away with it.
NK provocations are basically a cry for help. But SK is so absorbed in its love affair with consumerism that it will not even have the decency to fight them. Thats what I call disdain. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
South Koreans have become too in love with their toys, money and materialism to care about a few of their own citizens being killed. They're determined to hang onto their halcyon days as long as possible. Why have a war when the average ajosshi owns a new hyundai, sleeps with 10 prostitutes at the barbers shop every week, and has the latest LCD TV? Life is too good.
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Well it is a very Christian country after all, how do western Christian countries differ in this respect? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Well it is a very Christian country after all, how do western Christian countries differ in this respect? |
# Nonreligious: 49.3%
# Christianity: 26.3%
# Buddhism: 23.2%
Please don't contribute to the stupidity of the internet by making things up.
Ironically, a Christian country would probably be far more concerned with justice and/or revenge than "turning the other cheek". I kinda like that about the Christians.
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:54 am Post subject: |
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Nonsense. Quoting wikipedia doesn't change the fact that per capita, South Korea has the largest amount of Christians in N-E Asia (Asia actually, if we were to exclude the Philippines).
My point still stands, where does Junior get off calling Korea materialistic when the west is exactly the same, if not more so? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Nonsense. Quoting wikipedia doesn't change the fact that per capita, South Korea has the largest amount of Christians in N-E Asia (Asia actually, if we were to exclude the Philippines).
My point still stands, where does Junior get off calling Korea materialistic when the west is exactly the same, if not more so? |
Wikipedia happens to be easier to browse than the CIA World Factbook source material :- P
It's just silly to call SK a "very Christian country" when Christians are so deeply in the minority. Junior is just misguided I think. He's misconstruing SK's Confucian philosophy of "do what's best for the group" for "do what's best for me".
In the present case, SK doesn't exact justice or revenge because it's not in the interest of most people. On the other hand, a more individualistic nation might consider justice for the 4 dead to supersede the collateral costs to the greater population.
It really isn't about materialism, but it certainly has nothing to do with Christianity either. |
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redaxe
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well, South Korea did just announce that they authorized airstrikes against North Korea next time something like this happens, and gave their fighter pilots permission to engage in dogfights against North Korean aircraft.
I guess that's progress? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| My point still stands, where does Junior get off calling Korea materialistic when the west is exactly the same, if not more so? |
South Korea is still in the first flush of fascination with materialism. The memory of being poor is still strong in the people, and they do not want to go back to it- at all costs.
The west has had toys to play with for decades, and we know that some things are more important than hanging onto our merc. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
South Koreans have become too in love with their toys, money and materialism to care about a few of their own citizens being killed. They're determined to hang onto their halcyon days as long as possible. Why have a war when the average ajosshi owns a new hyundai, sleeps with 10 prostitutes at the barbers shop every week, and has the latest LCD TV? Life is too good.
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| It is very odd to allow your own citizens to be attacked killed and do nothing about it. By nothing I mean strike back militarily. Some might say that it wouldn't be "worth it" since it is just a few people but how many people should SK allow to be killed? Should there be a certain quota each month? each year? 1? 10? 100? etc? |
Exactly.
NK could probably shell the northern suburbs of Seoul and get away with it.
NK provocations are basically a cry for help. But SK is so absorbed in its love affair with consumerism that it will not even have the decency to fight them. Thats what I call disdain. |
Okay Che.
I'll buy you a rifle and you can hop over to the DMZ and carry on your fight for the people.
So I assume if war breaks out we'll be seeing you at the front lines?
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| It's just silly to call SK a "very Christian country" when Christians are so deeply in the minority |
Actually Korea is the second biggest sender of missionaries world-wide behind the U.S.
I mean calling Korea a Christian country makes as much sense as saying Protestant Europe is Christian, as in somewhat Christian.
The thing is that Koreans who are Christians are usually VERY Christian. Whereas in Europe and the States a lot of Christians are Funeral-Wedding-Christmas-Easter Christians, most Korean Christians are regular attendees.
Now this doesn't mean they are saints, like Christians back home they may go to church on Sundays and by Tuesday be blacked out with 5 Aces (or the Go Stop equivalent) in one hand and a bottle of Soju in the other.
Also to consider is that most of the Koreans who have had the opportunity to study overseas (the monied classes) have gotten wrapped up in the Korean Church scene.
If you are Korean in the States people don't ask you if you go to Church, but what Church you go to.
Drop by any campus Christian groups at a Uni with any kind of Korean population. Those groups will be filled with Koreans and a lot of Asians in general.
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| My point still stands, where does Junior get off calling Korea materialistic when the west is exactly the same, if not more so? |
Read some of the stuff the guy posts. Anything he can do to blast Korea he tries. If Korea went right, he'd say they should go left. If they went left he'd say they should have gone right. No coherency, just reaction.
I mean the guy is calling for war against NK and accusing the SKs of being materialist chickens, while having an avatar of some leftist-marxist guerrilla, while teaching ESL. Of course its all good because the avatar is one of the best avatars on Dave's, and in turn this means that Junior should keep on posting cuz we get to see more of the avatar.
I've never seen him pause to think "hey does the same thing happen anywhere else?"
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| The west has had toys to play with for decades, and we know that some things are more important than hanging onto our merc. |
Really? Such as?
You're right though. Thankfully the USA had George W. Bush as its president to not worry about economic matters and instead bring democracy to the Middle East.
You'd agree correct?
I'd also assume that you support the austerity policies in Europe where the values of ensuring a high standard of investment are being chosen over the frivolous toys of the social safety net.
So any plans there to leave ESL and go fight the power? You know go join some freedom fighters in Latin America and live in the jungle in some camp with no electricity and fun things like getting shot at? |
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interestedinhanguk
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:29 am Post subject: |
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sk would gain nothing but pride if they fought back.
you could suffer 2 or 3 civ deaths a year while nk slowly destroyed itself, of you could fight a war that topples the north but suffer thousands of deaths in the process.
the north will fall eventually, so might as well minimize the carnage. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just silly to call SK a "very Christian country" when Christians are so deeply in the minority. |
Of all the religious people, Christians are the majority. Also, the current, and quite a few of the past presidents, were Christians and have a lot of influence over policy. If unification were to occur you'd have these wackos rushing into North Korea to convert the population. Many former northerners, and their descendants, are hoping to reclaim their lost land and many of them are Christian. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just silly to call SK a "very Christian country" when Christians are so deeply in the minority. |
Of all the religious people, Christians are the majority. Also, the current, and quite a few of the past presidents, were Christians and have a lot of influence over policy. If unification were to occur you'd have these wackos rushing into North Korea to convert the population. Many former northerners, and their descendants, are hoping to reclaim their lost land and many of them are Christian. |
Go to any Korean Church in the States and there is an NK missionary workshop somewhere that they are sending people to.
There will be a flood of people going into NK when it comes down to do the Good Work. That's one reason that I don't really worry as much about the rebuilding costs. It'll be big, but a lot of stuff will be done privately by volunteer work.
Korea is enough of a Christian country that neither Protestants nor Catholics send missionaries there. There is no need to. The indigenous Church can handle any outreach efforts. |
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GwangjuParents
Joined: 31 Oct 2008
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Getting back on topic, the other problem with a retaliatory military strike against the North is that you're just playing into the Kim Jung-Il's hands...
Look at it this way...
Say the North bombs another island... and the South launch a good counter-strike.
Kim Jung Il would probably be happy... the death of a few/several NORK troops mean absolutely nothing to him... in fact, he'd get lots of great video footage out of it he could spin and show to his people as proof of how dangerous the South/US is... and he could use that footage to help keep his people stay "scared" which is what he wants to help smoothen the power transition in his own country.
It's like something out of 1984...
In my view, the only two options are:
1) Do nothing (current policy)
2) Launch a full scale attack with the aim to topple the North Korean regime.
There's no middle ground here. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
| metalhead wrote: |
Well it is a very Christian country after all, how do western Christian countries differ in this respect? |
# Nonreligious: 49.3%
# Christianity: 26.3%
# Buddhism: 23.2%
Please don't contribute to the stupidity of the internet by making things up.
Ironically, a Christian country would probably be far more concerned with justice and/or revenge than "turning the other cheek". I kinda like that about the Christians.
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Source (for those interested)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea |
wow a poll.. ok must be correct then. so some guy went around and asked 50 million people their religious belief. when did this happen??
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