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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Just watched both. The Vice Guide is more insightful and interesting than the stiff, overstated BBC version in the op. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| As the video I posted explains, they have a closed off intranet service, that Kim Jong Il has made, full of everything he thinks they need to know. |
Norkipedia is goldmine of world knowledge. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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That video by Shane Smith is pretty interesting.
It truly is a bizarre cult-like nation. Amazing to think that in this day and age that a country can be so sealed off from the rest of the world. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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what, like AMerica is not starving and raping its citizens? give me a break!
its all the same one way or another.
American free world?? yeah right.............. |
If you are trying to compare N.Korea to America, lol....nevermind, it's too easy. |
I'm not comparing , just saying America has like 40 million people homeless, 2 million people in jail for small crimes, Banks, big Tobacco and Big Pharma get away with Murder everyday and it goes on and on and on.
not comparing the living standards, just saying KIm rapes his people.
and our governments rob from us.. |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Koreadays wrote: |
what, like AMerica is not starving and raping its citizens? give me a break!
its all the same one way or another.
American free world?? yeah right.............. |
If you are trying to compare N.Korea to America, lol....nevermind, it's too easy. |
I'm not comparing , just saying America has like 40 million people homeless, 2 million people in jail for small crimes, Banks, big Tobacco and Big Pharma get away with Murder everyday and it goes on and on and on.
not comparing the living standards, just saying KIm rapes his people.
and our governments rob from us.. |
Fair enough. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| Koreadays wrote: |
what, like AMerica is not starving and raping its citizens? give me a break!
its all the same one way or another.
American free world?? yeah right.............. |
If you are trying to compare N.Korea to America, lol....nevermind, it's too easy. |
I'm not comparing , just saying America has like 40 million people homeless, 2 million people in jail for small crimes, Banks, big Tobacco and Big Pharma get away with Murder everyday and it goes on and on and on.
not comparing the living standards, just saying KIm rapes his people.
and our governments rob from us.. |
40 million homeless people?  Aren't there only like 300 million people living in the United States? |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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just finished the vice documentary. pretty cool. but i want to know more!! i want to know what everyday life is like for the average north korean. everything in all of the documentaries seems to be a song and dance show for foreigners.
the lisa ling one was pretty good, they spoke to some north koreans on there, but still, it was basically them just praising kim jong il. |
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Isehtis
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| 40 Million? Nonsense. While it's difficult to accurately gauge the number of people who're "Homeless" due to classification problems like whether or not people living in cars, tents, sheltered accommodation etc. you're looking much closer to 1 million than 40. |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:16 am Post subject: |
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I've asked this before, and I'll ask it again, especially after watching the Vice and BBC videos-- how is Chosun and Hankook really all that different? 6 in one hand, 1/2 dozen in the other  |
An absence of starvation and gulags in the South, along with a democratically elected government, are some of the differences. South Korea is far from perfect, but you're not making a serious argument for equivalence between the two Koreas, are you? |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Am I the only one who was bothered by the mispronunciation of the Kims' names in the OP's video? Kim Yoong Il? And the less blatant Kim Il Soong. Korean pronunciation isn't that hard. Surely if you're going to go to the trouble of making a doco, you can at least speak to one native speaker to check your pronunciation. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Ruthdes wrote: |
| Am I the only one who was bothered by the mispronunciation of the Kims' names in the OP's video? Kim Yoong Il? And the less blatant Kim Il Soong. Korean pronunciation isn't that hard. Surely if you're going to go to the trouble of making a doco, you can at least speak to one native speaker to check your pronunciation. |
haha, i thought the same. i second guessed myself. i thought i was pronouncing it wrong all these years. |
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Louis VI
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
Location: In my Kingdom
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:39 am Post subject: |
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I guess you're bothered with how Hyundai is said by native English speakers as well. 
The romanized spelling of Kim Il-sung invites pronunciation of "sung", which has stuck with much of the English-speaking World.
Only someone who's been in Korea a long time would be surprised that "soong" isn't how it's pronounced in English by English speakers to English speakers. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Louis VI wrote: |
I guess you're bothered with how Hyundai is said by native English speakers as well.
The romanized spelling of Kim Il-sung invites pronunciation of "sung", which has stuck with much of the English-speaking World.
Only someone who's been in Korea a long time would be surprised that "soong" isn't how it's pronounced in English by English speakers to English speakers. |
Ok, and I wouldn't be bothered by anyone who didn't have any passing interest in Korea mispronouncing the names (though I might give them a "by the way, it's actually pronounced..."). However this is a doco ABOUT Korea. Surely it's reasonable to expect that the maker would go to the trouble to find out the correct pronunciation of the names. Especially when he could've asked any of the dozens of Koreans he interviewed. Particularly pronouncing the J as a Y. Come on now....
Also, I'm pretty sure it's only Americans (and maybe Canadians...) who pronounce Hyundai as Hundae. In Australia we say it almost the same as the proper Korean pronunciation, and yes, Hundae does sound strange to me.
You don't need to be in Korea for a long time to work this stuff out. You only need to be here precisely long enough to learn to read Hangul, and a close approximation of the characters' actual pronunciations (a few weeks maybe), and a lot becomes clear. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| You can probably find his phone number on Google. You should drop him a line and tell him he's a failure to society with a below average IQ and that he should change his ways if he ever wants to be happy in life. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Globutron wrote: |
| You can probably find his phone number on Google. You should drop him a line and tell him he's a failure to society with a below average IQ and that he should change his ways if he ever wants to be happy in life. |
You really think it doesn't matter? Surely it casts doubt on the rest of his research if he can't even take the trouble to find out that a "J" is actually pronounced as a "J" in Korean romanisation, and not a "Y". |
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