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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: Korean PS teachers who support North Korea Reply with quote

To those who work at public schools, have you encountered teachers who blame South Korea for the sinking of the Cheonan and the artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island?

A survey has found that 43 percent of public school students in Seoul did not know that North Korea attacked Yeonpyeong Island or believed it was started by a South Korean military drill. Thirty-six percent were unaware that the sinking of the South Korean naval vessel Cheonan was perpetrated by the North. On the Korean War, 26 percent did not know that the North invaded the South. These are what a survey found about 1,240 students at seven schools in Seoul Nov. 29-30, a week after the shelling of Yeonpyeong, conducted by the (South) Korean Federation of Teachers� Associations.

Thirty to forty percent of public school students do not know about Pyongyang�s provocation and 16 percent said on the shelling of Yeonpyeong, �We caused the shelling because our military conducted an unnecessary exercise,� or �(South) Korea attacked first.�

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2010120731428
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean PS teachers who support North Korea Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
To those who work at public schools, have you encountered teachers who blame South Korea for the sinking of the Cheonan and the artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island?

A survey has found that 43 percent of public school students in Seoul did not know that North Korea attacked Yeonpyeong Island or believed it was started by a South Korean military drill. Thirty-six percent were unaware that the sinking of the South Korean naval vessel Cheonan was perpetrated by the North. On the Korean War, 26 percent did not know that the North invaded the South. These are what a survey found about 1,240 students at seven schools in Seoul Nov. 29-30, a week after the shelling of Yeonpyeong, conducted by the (South) Korean Federation of Teachers� Associations.

Thirty to forty percent of public school students do not know about Pyongyang�s provocation and 16 percent said on the shelling of Yeonpyeong, �We caused the shelling because our military conducted an unnecessary exercise,� or �(South) Korea attacked first.�

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2010120731428


Absolutely disgusting.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just teachers!

A lot of Koreans from all walks of life believe the truth about the Cheonan has not been revealed.

My two neighbors, 40-something guys who buy me dinner and practice their English, both don't believe SK's version of events. They say lots of Koreans don't buy the SK navy's story and that a common suspicion is that the other SK ship which, at first, was reported to have fired at a 'target' in a northerly direction was actually responsible for hitting the Cheonan.

Me? I dunno...not enough info......but don't believe that it's just lefty teachers who think this way.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to say that there aren't any teachers who hold such views, but this is scaremongering garbage from a government supporting newspaper.

I'm fluent enough to understand all of what people are saying around me and I've encountered no teacher at all in my school expressing what could even be described as remotely NK sympathetic views over the incident.

Something else that any PS teacher will know is that lots of kids don't pay a massive amount of attention in class, or to current affairs and the world around them, even very close to them. So 43% saying they didn't know about it doesn't necessarily mean at all that they been indoctrinated with a view opposite to the one the Donga Ilbo wants them to have. With many kids, they could've had even the new defence minister going into class and lecturing them for an hour and you'd still get a decent percentage claiming not to have known about things he had said.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
It's not just teachers!

A lot of Koreans from all walks of life believe the truth about the Cheonan has not been revealed.

My two neighbors, 40-something guys who buy me dinner and practice their English, both don't believe SK's version of events. They say lots of Koreans don't buy the SK navy's story and that a common suspicion is that the other SK ship which, at first, was reported to have fired at a 'target' in a northerly direction was actually responsible for hitting the Cheonan.

Me? I dunno...not enough info......but don't believe that it's just lefty teachers who think this way.


Exactly. Pockets of suspicion of the LMB adminstration's version of the Cheonan and other events are pretty widespread across the country and is by no means limited to "lefties", nor necessarily indicates any sympathy for the north. It's perfectly possible that any views students expressed in that 'survey' actually came from parents or relatives, not their teachers.
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northway



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My ex was convinced that the US sank the Cheonan.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
My ex was convinced that the US sank the Cheonan.


And that's why she's your ex. Laughing Good on you!
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Slowmotion



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear the north has propaganda running in this country as well. People hate Lee Myoung Bak and don't even know why when I ask them. Or they say he's not peaceful and all this recent violence happened because of him and that this stuff didn't happen with the two previous presidents, then I show them this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea
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discostu333



Joined: 18 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

80% of my co-teachers don't know how to speak English, keep discipline in class, or even tell the time, let alone have any informed opinion on current events.
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sulperman



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked it better back when I thought Americans (of which I am one) were exceptionally stupid. Somehow that was better than knowing every country has such a large share of blind/bizarrely biased/incapable of rational or logical thought/incapable of understanding the world around them in any meaningful way monkey people.
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slowmotion wrote:
I swear the north has propaganda running in this country as well. People hate Lee Myoung Bak and don't even know why when I ask them. Or they say he's not peaceful and all this recent violence happened because of him and that this stuff didn't happen with the two previous presidents, then I show them this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea


I bet you don't explain what the box at the top of that wiki page means though!

There are plenty of reasons totally unconnected to the north for some Koreans not liking LMB. And again, disapproval of how his government handles the north does not necessarily equate to support for the north, nor does it necessarily mean belief in some of crazier theories about the Cheonan or other incidents.
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Capo



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some co workers who don't believe the choenan attack was NK, one such co worker has also recomended I read Karl Marx in the past - I was shocked.

However, I haven't heard anyone doubting NK started the latest incident...
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capo wrote:
I have some co workers who don't believe the choenan attack was NK, one such co worker has also recomended I read Karl Marx in the past - I was shocked.

However, I haven't heard anyone doubting NK started the latest incident...


Why shocked?

He's just a writer who put forward some political ideas.......Maybe if you read Marx you would have a broader perspective on 20th century politics.

Or are you shocked because your co-worker might have left-wing views? People are allowed to be socialist/communist you know! It's not a crime.
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northway



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
northway wrote:
My ex was convinced that the US sank the Cheonan.


And that's why she's your ex. Laughing Good on you!


Am I that transparent?
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A survey has found that 43 percent of public school students in Seoul did not know that North Korea attacked Yeonpyeong Island or believed it was started by a South Korean military drill. Thirty-six percent were unaware that the sinking of the South Korean naval vessel Cheonan was perpetrated by the North. On the Korean War, 26 percent did not know that the North invaded the South. These are what a survey found about 1,240 students at seven schools in Seoul Nov. 29-30, a week after the shelling of Yeonpyeong, conducted by the (South) Korean Federation of Teachers� Associations.


43 percent thought that Beast was hotter than Super Junior, 36 percent thought that Jessica from SNSD "has an attitude problem" and 26 percent favored Zerg over Terran.

Young people are stupid.

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To those who work at public schools, have you encountered teachers who blame South Korea for the sinking of the Cheonan and the artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island?


Yeah and I also encountered people who think that the moron George W. Bush is responsible for masterminding 9/11.

Treat those people here the same as would that crowd back home. Listen to what they have to say about stuff in the Arts & Leisure section of the paper, not World News.

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they could've had even the new defence minister going into class and lecturing them for an hour and you'd still get a decent percentage claiming not to have known about things he had said


43 percent slept. 36 percent texted. 26 percent stuck their headphones through their sleeve and listened to music.

Kids are kids.

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one such co worker has also recomended I read Karl Marx in the past - I was shocked.


Even if you're the most hardcore Republican reading Karl Marx is recommended. I mean we're only talking about one of the most influential political thinkers of the last 200 years.

Marx should be recommended reading, just as the Bible or The Republic should be.
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