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Slowmotion
Joined: 15 Aug 2009
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| What good has communism brought other than to the elite in those countries? |
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MalFSU1
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I had a Korean teacher blame the island attack on South Korea because in her opinion the government wants to distract the people from all the bad things they do(not quite sure what those bad things are). She then started to say something about America and China.....I just changed the subject. |
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merkurix
Joined: 21 Dec 2006
Location: Not far from the deep end.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Blame these outcomes on the fact that a good portion of PS teachers in Korea are card-carrying members of the Korean Teacher's and Education Workers Union (KTEWU) who have been instilling solid pro-North Korean values on impressionable young learners since 1999.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2006072699278 |
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happninmojo
Joined: 09 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Slowmotion wrote: |
| What good has communism brought other than to the elite in those countries? |
No one has stated otherwise...you have some sort of invisible trigger? |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I was showing the Apollo 11 moon landing to my students and the Korean teacher in the room said "Did you know it is fake?" Oh my. |
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brento1138
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Every society seems to have conspiracy theorists. The problem with their "theories" is that they lack evidence. Whereas the majority viewpoint on matters have lots of hard evidence. Examples? Fake moon landing, 9-11 conspiracy, climate-gate... the list goes on.
It's similar to how the 9-11 attacks were seen as being an attack "secretly planned" by the US, CIA, etc. Whilst ignoring 99% of the actual hard data, conspiracy theorists like to hand-pick data or "evidence" which supports their (often emotionally biased) opinion. They distort facts and bend science to meet their needs. The worst case example I would say were the "architects and engineers for 911 truth." Another would be supporters of "climate-gate" who think there is a giant conspiracy by windmill makers and battery manufacturers to trick us into thinking CO2 is causing climate change...
While we have an overwhelming amount of easy-to-verify evidence that North Korea attacked the South Korean submarine, people still make claims that it was America! Or, it was China! Why? Simple. Because they are incapable of believing Koreans would kill Koreans. And they believe Koreans are inherently good whilst the Chinese and Americans are bad (read Korea Unmasked if you want to understand the distrust of foreign powers)! They wrongly believe that Korea is one nation, not two. So they come up with their own biased conclusion first in their minds, before looking at the evidence. All evidence or material they do find will be instantly ignored in their head, no matter how legit it is, as they already made up their mind before the evidence came in. And they will latch on to any unverified story or rumor that they can as long as it supports their opinion. Ignoring news you don't want to hear is simply human nature.
Yes, I am very anti-conspiracy theory!! Why? Because I'm a skeptic. Someone who requires evidence. Someone who is skeptical of hard evidence (example: a person who denies the holocaust) is not a skeptic, but a denier.
So, these people are in denial. When good evidence & logical / rational / obvious explanation comes in, they look the other way. That's not skepticism. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Why shocked?
He's just a writer who put forward some political ideas.......Maybe if you read Marx you would have a broader perspective on 20th century politics.
Or are you shocked because your co-worker might have left-wing views? People are allowed to be socialist/communist you know! It's not a crime. |
Are you sure? As far as I know, you might get arrested under the National Security Laws in South Korea for openly advertising and encouraging Communism - because that is the main ideology of the country's enemy. |
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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Hey guys, someone was asking for evidence, so-
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The state-run broadcaster KBS aired an investigative program that refutes the latest governmental report on the cause of the sinking of the frigate Cheonan in March.
The program raised several suspicions over the report released by a multinational team of investigators. KBS TV�s investigative journal, �In Depth 60-minutes,� aired on Wednesday night, reported that the adhesive material found on the body of the vessel and torpedo components was not Alxoy, which the state-led joint investigation team claimed as residue resulting from the explosion.
Instead, professor Chung Ki-young of Andong National University, who has conducted several examinations of the samples, told the program that it was amorphous basaluminite, something that must have collected and built up over a long period of time. |
There are a lot of other details that contradict the official findings, if you care to research the topic before buying into what the major dailies would have you believe.
We should all be aware that the media whipped up a similar frenzy to galvanize public opinion for the Iraq invasion, and we all know how that turned out- lots of people dead on both sides, families left without mothers and fathers, mounting national debt wrecking havoc with the economy leaving behind a tax burden for future generations, and overall a much higher level of antagonism leveled at coalition countries, making places like London and the States a much more dangerous and acrimonious place to live now (and a lot of social services cut due to war expenditures).
However, if you are a fat cat connected to the arms industry, private defense contractor or country reconstruction business, you made out fabulously well along with your well-connected politician/big corporation friends, and would probably be eager to reap more gains by stirring up all sorts of troubles elsewhere, and realize you are best able to when public sentiment is behind you, never mind the average Joe gets none of the cut; he'll make up for the government spending with his tax dollars and pounds, so it's important to get him on your side. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| legrande wrote: |
Hey guys, someone was asking for evidence, so-
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The state-run broadcaster KBS aired an investigative program that refutes the latest governmental report on the cause of the sinking of the frigate Cheonan in March.
The program raised several suspicions over the report released by a multinational team of investigators. KBS TV�s investigative journal, �In Depth 60-minutes,� aired on Wednesday night, reported that the adhesive material found on the body of the vessel and torpedo components was not Alxoy, which the state-led joint investigation team claimed as residue resulting from the explosion.
Instead, professor Chung Ki-young of Andong National University, who has conducted several examinations of the samples, told the program that it was amorphous basaluminite, something that must have collected and built up over a long period of time. |
There are a lot of other details that contradict the official findings, if you care to research the topic before buying into what the major dailies would have you believe.
We should all be aware that the media whipped up a similar frenzy to galvanize public opinion for the Iraq invasion, and we all know how that turned out- lots of people dead on both sides, families left without mothers and fathers, mounting national debt wrecking havoc with the economy leaving behind a tax burden for future generations, and overall a much higher level of antagonism leveled at coalition countries, making places like London and the States a much more dangerous and acrimonious place to live now (and a lot of social services cut due to war expenditures).
However, if you are a fat cat connected to the arms industry, private defense contractor or country reconstruction business, you made out fabulously well along with your well-connected politician/big corporation friends, and would probably be eager to reap more gains by stirring up all sorts of troubles elsewhere, and realize you are best able to when public sentiment is behind you, never mind the average Joe gets none of the cut; he'll make up for the government spending with his tax dollars and pounds, so it's important to get him on your side. |
While the media DID blow Iraq all out of proportion, its unlikely that it was to stir up war. Far more likely was that dollars are made by reporting what people want. Irresponsible journalism? Maybe, but their source was the Bush administration, who's means of gathering intelligence about Iraqi weapon capabilities was flawed. Its hardly the warmonger journalism you seem to be implying. I'm sure its no different here. They report crimes by foreigners for the same reason: its what people want to read. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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legrande
Joined: 23 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's better to just stick to the scientific evidence (see above).
Which in the case of the Cheonan sinking contradicts what the ROK and US have been claiming.
So ironically it seems it is the ROK and US who are attempting to conjure up something.
Incidentally, the Korea Times is a very credible news source with the absolute highest marks in investigative journalism-
http://www.japanprobe.com/2010/06/13/korea-times-prints-false-and-ridiculous-news-story/ |
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