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Voted Out of Kindergarten by Classmates
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ESL Milk "Everyday wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
But what would be the reason for giving each classmate a chance to say what they DIDN'T like about him?

There's just no reason for that.


The way I imagine it in my head is he's been hitting and kicking and swearing and teasing mercilessly, choosing his targets for no reason other than they're nearby,.



Highly unlikely. Almost always autistic people are introverted. Plus the article didn't state that. Sounds like the teacher was uncomfortable with an autistic kid in class.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Highly unlikely. Almost always autistic people are introverted. Plus the article didn't state that. Sounds like the teacher was uncomfortable with an autistic kid in class.


It didn't state that he actually was autistic either-- just that he was being tested for a mild form of autism when it happened. I think that his history of behavior in the class and what the school was doing to address his needs is extremely relevant.
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Kaypea



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We know so little about the situation! What the teacher did sounds like an extension of the kind of thing a lot of people say to little kids when they're being difficult: "If you act like that, nobody's going to like you." I suspect it got blown out of proportion.
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nathanrutledge



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree with TUM about autistic people being introverted, if they are pushed they can explode, especially at a young age.

ANYONE who has taken Childhood Psychology (which is required if you want to be an elementary public school teacher where I'm from, and I'm sure it is in Florida, too) should know that at that age, kids don't have a moral structure like adults do. They are very simple. It is very hard to separate a child and his actions. Allowing classmates ANY input on punishments is totally unacceptable. This teacher should have known better and she should be fired for something like this, regardless of why it was done. There is absolutely zero reason to treat 5/6 year old students like this. They don't learn the lesson that is trying to be taught; they just feel excluded and unwanted, bringing on more and more anti-social behavior.
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Kaypea



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... actually, what the teacher did is probably the worst thing a teacher could do to a kid who might be autistic, or any kid really... I recount my previous statement that the teacher was just doing an extreme version of a "normal" kid control routine (telling the kid that if they keep doing such-and-such nobody will like them)... maybe that's not such a great thing to tell kids, either. I remember my friend would always say that to her kid, who was a really annoying kid, so it's not like it actually works. Confused
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warmachinenkorea



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These kids are too young to understand what the consequences are for voting someone out of class. I'm sure all of them are thinking, "Yippie he can never come back!" Like someone said, their moral structure isn't they same as adults.

For me this doesn't speak well of the administration of the school. If I was the teacher after my attempts to correct he students behavior have failed I might go the SPED teacher for advice. Then I go to the principal.

I worked for a great principal back in the States. Probably why he is now the director of schools for that school district. He had no bones abut telling parents, either there kid gets in line or their gone for a few days. If that doesn't work then it's a week. Any thing else and it's alternative school for the rest of the year or expulsion.

Depending on where his level of autism fell on the spectrum has a lot to do with it. If it's low or mild then he can manage in a normal classroom setting. If it's high or severe then this kid will never be able to handle the level of stimulation that is in a regular classroom.
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roknroll



Joined: 29 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
While I agree with TUM about autistic people being introverted, if they are pushed they can explode, especially at a young age.

ANYONE who has taken Childhood Psychology (which is required if you want to be an elementary public school teacher where I'm from, and I'm sure it is in Florida, too) should know that at that age, kids don't have a moral structure like adults do. They are very simple. It is very hard to separate a child and his actions. Allowing classmates ANY input on punishments is totally unacceptable. This teacher should have known better and she should be fired for something like this, regardless of why it was done. There is absolutely zero reason to treat 5/6 year old students like this. They don't learn the lesson that is trying to be taught; they just feel excluded and unwanted, bringing on more and more anti-social behavior.


dat true, save the voting for 'do you want to draw or paint now'? not for class management of kindies...peer pressure can help with older students though...Smile
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