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kloofy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Grammar question Reply with quote

Grammar question - Why, please give details?

Choose the similar usage of �of' from the following:

"Two Heads Are Better Than One" doesn't mean that two-headed monsters are better than the rest // of // us.

(... the rest "OF" us)

① the last scene of the movie.

② the virtue of charity.

③ It is kind of you to remember it.

④ He died of cancer.

⑤ the king of kings.
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Thiuda



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Grammar question Reply with quote

kloofy wrote:
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[1] (... the rest "OF" us)

1 the last scene of the movie.
2 the virtue of charity.
3 It is kind of you to remember it.
4 He died of cancer.
5 the king of kings.



Tough nut to crack.

In all of the sentences of functions as a preposition (of might also be used as an auxiliary in written English), so the difference might be semantic.

In 1 the preposition relates the prepositional complement to the preceding DP the last scene. In 2 the preposition seems to indicate a specific quality (virtue) associated with the prepositional complement. In 3 of again seems to indicate a certain quality (kindness) associated with the prepositional complement you. In 4 the preposition indicates the cause of the action, and in 5 the preposition is used to identify a specific entity within a category.

Hmmm, nothing there. OK, one more try.

In both the example sentence and in sentence 3 the PP consists of the preposition and a pronoun:

[1] the rest [PP [P of] [PRN us]]
3 kind [PP [P of] [PRN you]]

In sentences 1, 2, 4, 5 the PP consists of a preposition followed by a DP in which the noun is not a PRN.

Sorry, I have no idea. Hope that helps.
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sentences 1, 2, and 5 are examples of what is called a periphrastic genettive, which means a possessive form that uses extra words rather than an infelctional suffix. You could rewrite those phrases as follows:

the movie's last scene

charity's virtue

kings' king

As for sentence 3, I'm not sure what it is exactly... it's some sort of prepositional phrase modifiying the adjective "kind."

In sentence 4, of indicates the means of dying.

Your original sentence is different from all of these... "rest" is serving as a pronoun, which is then modified by the prep. phrase "of us" (for example: "My friend bought movie tickets for both of us."). The sentence would be perfectly gramatical with "... monsters are better than the rest."

In other words, there are no similarities between your sample sentence and the other uses of "of." Welcome to the world of English prepositions.

Brian
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grant gerstners



Joined: 13 Jan 2010
Location: USA

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Grammar question Reply with quote

kloofy wrote:
Grammar question - Why, please give details?

Choose the similar usage of �of' from the following:


Taking a stab:

The king is a subset of the kings.

The rest is a subset of us.

Based on this alone, I might pick 5. But...

The last scene is a subset of both the movie and all the scenes.

So, pick 1.

The virtuous component of charity might be found in all the parts of charity, and so the virtue might not necessarily be a proper subset.
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kloofy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the feedback... this is an actual TOEFL test question, will put up the answer after the test is done. that's if the instructor can explain it grammatically.
I was thinking 3, but many agreed with 5... Anyhow, will keep you posted.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ridiculous. You don't even need to know stuff like that to teach English at the highest level, never mind to pass a foreign language test
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tek75



Joined: 15 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez, this is like a brainteaser. (Is this really relevant to learning English?)

Anyhow, my pick is #1. It's based on the whole "subset" idea others have mentioned. I don't think "the king of kings" is really a subset as much as an expression that express some high degree or epitome of some quality (e.g. "beauty among beauties"=someone who's REALLY beautiful).

If #5 was something like "one of the kings," then that would work, too, but I think "the king of kings" is being used to express just how powerful that one king is, as opposed to expressing that he's a subset of the group. In #1, the "last scene" is one of the scenes that make up the movie, so that DOES constitute a subset, as in "the rest of us."

I could be wrong, but that's my theory.
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