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IMF crisis
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| Let me get this straight, "Different Strokes" was good relative to "Frasier?" |
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JMO
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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This is even more evident with TV programs. In the past, serious social issues were dealt with in Mash, All In The Family, One Day at A Time, Mary Tyler Moore, Different Strokes and Family Ties. Relative to what we have now, these were goods shows. Now we have crap like 2 1/2 Men, Fraser, and Friends. These shows are totally unwatchable.
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What? This is the golden age of tv. I'm not sure if you are only talking about comedy or not but this decade brought us some of the best tv in history. Shows like 'The Wire' and 'Mad Men' were just not made 30 years ago. |
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MalFSU1
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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Certainly, the governments must love sports because televised sports keeps people occupied with something that's really not important in the great scheme of world events.
They're just glad that at the water cooler in offices the next day after a major sports match that people are not discussing anything of substance like the current extension of the tax cuts to the richest people 2% in the United States. You might get angry and organize a demonstration against the gov.
I'd like to see a breakdown of sports fans by income bracket. Somehow I doubt the super rich are immersing themselves in this fantasy world. They're too busy robbing the little guy. Or maybe some of them go to sports matches all coked up for kicks with their mistresses.
Sports is not the only tool to keep the working class occupied. Most TV programs also serve this function. If you want to be informed about anything that matters in this world, you have to seek independent media. |
While I do stay relatively in the loop when it comes to politics and things "that matter", I also find pleasure in escaping from those things for awhile to cheer on my favorite team(usually my college football team). Who really wants to sit around all the time thinging about the state of the world....seems kind of depressing to me. Having also worked in the business world before coming to Korea, I can say that wealthy people follow sports as well, and often spend lots of money going to sporting events. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Dev wrote: |
Certainly, the governments must love sports because televised sports keeps people occupied with something that's really not important in the great scheme of world events.
They're just glad that at the water cooler in offices the next day after a major sports match that people are not discussing anything of substance like the current extension of the tax cuts to the richest people 2% in the United States. You might get angry and organize a demonstration against the gov.
I'd like to see a breakdown of sports fans by income bracket. Somehow I doubt the super rich are immersing themselves in this fantasy world. They're too busy robbing the little guy. Or maybe some of them go to sports matches all coked up for kicks with their mistresses.
Sports is not the only tool to keep the working class occupied. Most TV programs also serve this function. If you want to be informed about anything that matters in this world, you have to seek independent media. |
That's a bit of a generalization isn't it?
I think the beauty of sport is that it actually breaks down social barriers, even though some social classes may be attracted to certain sports.
Let's take the upper class. One could say they would be interested in yachting, F1, golf, rugby union and tennis while your lower class might like football (of any kind) and motorsport involving relatively low tech cars with big engines. In sport there is something for everyone, even the rich.
A mate's dad from home is the religious editor in a major newspaper, he is extremely highly educated but loves nothing more than to talk footy (Aussie rules) while I've seen some poorly dressed and rough looking people at golfing tournaments. When it comes to sport, who really cares what class you are?
For the record, I like watching sports but I've grown cynical watching sports stars get done over again and again for doping, especially in cycling and athletics. I watch less sport these days but I still enjoy watching international games, even if I don't know the sport well. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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I go through phases when it comes to sports.
I used to be hardcore into the NFL, College Football, and the NBA. Now I won't watch unless "my team" is involved. Football has really taken a nosedive for me. People get way too into it. In general though my interest in sports has declined. I've gone from being an NBA fan to a Detroit Pistons fan. I've gone from being an NHL fan to a Wings fan. I've gone from being an NFL fan to a Lions fan.
I enjoy watching Olympic Sports, especially the more oddball ones. It has a certain "newness" to it, plus the people are oddly "normal". Also some of the sports have artistic qualities that makes them more unique. I mean Figure Skating and Gymnastics are absolutely wonderful. International Soccer is great.
But there is one sport that has weathered the ups and downs and has always remained king: Baseball. I enjoy its slow pace. I enjoy being able to talk and do something while watching it. I enjoy how the announcer can not talk for 5 minutes and everything is great. The sound of the crowd and the noises of the game is poetry in and of itself. I enjoy the announcers when they do talk. Think Ernie Harwell. The great announcers are different than all the other sports- they are calming and soothing and warm, while being able to convey an innocent joy at big moments in the game. I enjoy the pitcher vs. batter gamesmanship. I enjoy its moments of tension. Playoff baseball is great.
I can't wait for the KBO season to kick off. And the MLB Hot Stove is going strong. |
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BaldTeacher
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I wish that I was more into sports. I've tried to watch games on TV because other people seem to have fun watching them, but I can't watch them for more than a couple minutes.
I like fighting, so sports like boxing and MMA, I can get into. Anything involving a team and a ball is boring as hell to me. If it involved two teams of men having a big brawl in an arena, that would be great.
Hockey would be fun to watch if it was just dudes skating around trying to smash each other. After everyone on a team is too hurt to continue the fight, the game's over. |
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machoman
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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it's strange, a lot of you guys who don't like sports, do like mma. i'm the same. i wonder why that is though.
i guess fighting is the ULTIMATE sport. it shows who the most dominant person is. like, it doesn't matter if you can make more baskets than i can or hit balls farther than i can..... |
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metalhead
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I suppose men like seeing other people get hurt? |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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it's strange, a lot of you guys who don't like sports, do like mma. i'm the same. i wonder why that is though.
i guess fighting is the ULTIMATE sport. it shows who the most dominant person is. like, it doesn't matter if you can make more baskets than i can or hit balls farther than i can..... |
It shows who the most dominant person is at fighting. Obviously golf shows who is the most dominant at golf. All sports can be boiled down to this.
I personally don't like boxing as it is boring to me. UFC is kind of interesting if it is a big fight. |
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machoman
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
it's strange, a lot of you guys who don't like sports, do like mma. i'm the same. i wonder why that is though.
i guess fighting is the ULTIMATE sport. it shows who the most dominant person is. like, it doesn't matter if you can make more baskets than i can or hit balls farther than i can..... |
It shows who the most dominant person is at fighting. Obviously golf shows who is the most dominant at golf. All sports can be boiled down to this.
I personally don't like boxing as it is boring to me. UFC is kind of interesting if it is a big fight. |
what i mean is, other sports seek who is the most dominant team/person is right? and the ultimate form of domination is physically beating someone up.
lets say there are two guys, joe and frank who want to know who is the better athlete. so they start playing golf. joe beats frank.
so frank says, "lets play basketball" and frank dominates joe. so joe says "ok, lets play soccer" and frank again dominates joe. joe finally says "ok, lets duke it out" and joe beats frank butt. you can't go anywhere else from that. know what i mean? frank couldn't say something like "oh yeah, lets play a round of bowling." |
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Generally I don't think fighting is a test of athleticism. Although I strictly think of athleticism as how fast you can run, how high you can jump, how quick you can turn etc. People have different definitions.
In your example, it shows that Frank has probably played more basketball and soccer than Frank but hasn't had as much experience fighting. i don't think it shows much else other than Frank is good at basketball and soccer whilst Joe is good at fighting. it is just another sport.
the ultimate form of domination might be to beat someone up...but it is a strange way to look at the world. I don't think the point of sport is to dominate..just to win. There is a difference. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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But there is a reason gangs aren't run by enforcers...There's more to domination than just brute force.
I like Chess Boxing. Both brains and brawn are involved. Plus its nice to see some guy, who on the outside looks dumb as a brick, play a good game of chess.
Now there is where you can claim to have "domination". |
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goosechase
Joined: 15 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:21 am Post subject: Chess boxing is amazing |
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A lot of mma fans aren't "sports" fans, and vice versa. I try to be both, mostly I'm an mma guy, but I don't fool myself into thinking that any one sport or form of competition is any better than any other. You like what you like, there's no objective reason one is better.
On that note, anyone know where to watch UFC 124 live here? Are they showing it at the wolfhound or anything? |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| I like watching men get hurt. |
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BaldTeacher
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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But there is a reason gangs aren't run by enforcers...There's more to domination than just brute force.
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This is true in life. You see guys in dominant positions over guys who could probably beat their ass. In the arena of sports though, fighting determines who is physically dominant at that point in time. It also requires strategy and thinking on ones feet. |
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