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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: More Foreign Restaurants Reply with quote

When I arrived here, four score and seven years ago, I had to travel all the way to HaeUnDae in Busan to get some (overpriced) Indian food. Nowadays my little city has all sorts of foreign restaurants.

The influx of foreigners has really made this country an easier place to live. Better food, better beers (Vietnam, China). I wonder what it'll look like in another 10 years.

I remember when I first arrived TV was lucky if you had CNN, now there's all sorts of stuff. Hardly feel I'm in Korea sometimes.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too am noticing new Indian, Thai, Indonesian, and Vietnamese food choices popping up during my time here in small marts and restaurants. Korea is taking on many Asian foreign women due to many Korean men opting for a wife from other Asian countries. There still is so very little catering to Westerners as we are rarely included in the demographics as a market segment of the economy despite there being many thousands of us walking around with pocketfuls of money. Anything you see available for sale is almost always intended for Koreans and Asian foreigners; not Westerners other than special places like Itaewon and stores like Red Door, Haddon House, and Hannam mart. Despite it being intended for their Asian foreigners, we too can buy it, because we are here as consumers. I wish Korea would acknowledge the presence of Western foreigners as valuable customers, but they just don't understand what we want and how we want it.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
I too am noticing new Indian, Thai, Indonesian, and Vietnamese food choices popping up during my time here in small marts and restaurants. Korea is taking on many Asian foreign women due to many Korean men opting for a wife from other Asian countries. There still is so very little catering to Westerners as we are rarely included in the demographics as a market segment of the economy despite there being many thousands of us walking around with pocketfuls of money. Anything you see available for sale is almost always intended for Koreans and Asian foreigners; not Westerners other than special places like Itaewon and stores like Red Door, Haddon House, and Hannam mart. Despite it being intended for their Asian foreigners, we too can buy it, because we are here as consumers. I wish Korea would acknowledge the presence of Western foreigners as valuable customers, but they just don't understand what we want and how we want it.


Man are western foreigners in Korea a bunch of narcissists.

You know what foreigners in other countries do when they want to eat their food from back home? They open up a restaurant. If we want Ma & Pa diner, why don't we open one up and start serving that kind of food?

And why do Koreans have to start opening restaurants to feed us and make us happy? Why don't we open up restaurants that have foreign food modified to Korean tastes that Koreans will enjoy? There are more Koreans in Korea than foreigners and maybe we should recognize that but we just don't care what Koreans want and how they want it.

Korea and the people here do not exist to make us happy.
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SinclairLondon



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And why do Koreans have to start opening restaurants to feed us and make us happy?


They do. Well, not always for us, but make friends with some German engineers in Ulsan or Haundae or Geoje Island.

I get you point, but I was fortunate to move into an area during my first year in Busan with two restaurants that catered to us: a Turkish joint and a cafe with lots of American soups and sandwiches. It was a glorious first year, but a fattening one.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
I too am noticing new Indian, Thai, Indonesian, and Vietnamese food choices popping up during my time here in small marts and restaurants. Korea is taking on many Asian foreign women due to many Korean men opting for a wife from other Asian countries. There still is so very little catering to Westerners as we are rarely included in the demographics as a market segment of the economy despite there being many thousands of us walking around with pocketfuls of money. Anything you see available for sale is almost always intended for Koreans and Asian foreigners; not Westerners other than special places like Itaewon and stores like Red Door, Haddon House, and Hannam mart. Despite it being intended for their Asian foreigners, we too can buy it, because we are here as consumers. I wish Korea would acknowledge the presence of Western foreigners as valuable customers, but they just don't understand what we want and how we want it.


English teachers are few enough that we're really just a drop in the bucket. Outside of a few areas that we gravitate to it's hard to make a go of it catering to foreigners unless you cater exclusively to foreigners (i.e. foreigner bars).
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cheolsu



Joined: 16 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Westerners truly are a drop in the bucket. Despite the fact that many people assume that 'foreign' means Western in Korea, no more than 10% of the foreigners in Korea are Western.

Here's the breakdown:

57% Chinese
21% Southeast Asia
5% American
4% South Asia
2% Taiwan and Mongolia (not sure why they're grouped)
2% Central Asia

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/08/06/2009080600243.html

Also, a newsflash for Chosun Ilbo: a naturalized Korean citizen is NOT a foreigner. They're a Korean.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would much rather have the option of going to a restaurant (in this case, a 'foreign' restaurant) in Korea than McDonald's, KFC, Starbucks, Taco Bell and the rest of that American garbage that gets shoved down our throats worldwide by it's mere presence everywhere.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
I would much rather have the option of going to a restaurant (in this case, a 'foreign' restaurant) in Korea than McDonald's, KFC, Starbucks, Taco Bell and the rest of that American garbage that gets shoved down our throats worldwide by it's mere presence everywhere.


Somebody must like it since it sells so well all around the world.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
AsiaESLbound wrote:
I too am noticing new Indian, Thai, Indonesian, and Vietnamese food choices popping up during my time here in small marts and restaurants. Korea is taking on many Asian foreign women due to many Korean men opting for a wife from other Asian countries. There still is so very little catering to Westerners as we are rarely included in the demographics as a market segment of the economy despite there being many thousands of us walking around with pocketfuls of money. Anything you see available for sale is almost always intended for Koreans and Asian foreigners; not Westerners other than special places like Itaewon and stores like Red Door, Haddon House, and Hannam mart. Despite it being intended for their Asian foreigners, we too can buy it, because we are here as consumers. I wish Korea would acknowledge the presence of Western foreigners as valuable customers, but they just don't understand what we want and how we want it.


Man are western foreigners in Korea a bunch of narcissists.

You know what foreigners in other countries do when they want to eat their food from back home? They open up a restaurant. If we want Ma & Pa diner, why don't we open one up and start serving that kind of food?

And why do Koreans have to start opening restaurants to feed us and make us happy? Why don't we open up restaurants that have foreign food modified to Korean tastes that Koreans will enjoy? There are more Koreans in Korea than foreigners and maybe we should recognize that but we just don't care what Koreans want and how they want it.

Korea and the people here do not exist to make us happy.


E2's can't open businesses, real estate, or anything else that is required to starting your own restaurant.

But i agree with your post. It's always easier to sit in front of the a PC and complain online rather than actually doing something to fix the solution. That'd take actual work. I met a Chinese guy who was complaining that all the Chinese food in Korea isn't Chinese it's Koreanized-Chinese. He had no idea what he was saying. I just looked at him and how pathetic he was.
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually if you want to open a bar/restaurant in Asia then China is your best bet, essentially all you need is capital and the backing of a Chinese partner. Good location, good food and prices, and you can make an absolute killing in cities like Suzhou or Nanjing.

It's a LOT harder trying to open up a bar or restaurant in Korea if you're a foreigner, otherwise we'd be seeing a lot more places being run by foreigners.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
Actually if you want to open a bar/restaurant in Asia then China is your best bet, essentially all you need is capital and the backing of a Chinese partner. Good location, good food and prices, and you can make an absolute killing in cities like Suzhou or Nanjing.

It's a LOT harder trying to open up a bar or restaurant in Korea if you're a foreigner, otherwise we'd be seeing a lot more places being run by foreigners.


Yep and if the resturant takes off, your chinese partner can take your half and tell you to shove it. I would rather have an actual visa and papers than a hand shake and a hand in my wallet.

Another note is that new foreign owned resturants might become a bit more rare now as one of the important that allowed anybody with 50 million won to open a business and stay on a visa. Now with shady dealing and that from some Nigerians, Pakistanis and others the rules of have changed to 100 million start.

http://www.guidemesingapore.com/blog-post/world-business/korea-tightens-investment-visa-rules-for-foreigners
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
AsiaESLbound wrote:
I too am noticing new Indian, Thai, Indonesian, and Vietnamese food choices popping up during my time here in small marts and restaurants. Korea is taking on many Asian foreign women due to many Korean men opting for a wife from other Asian countries. There still is so very little catering to Westerners as we are rarely included in the demographics as a market segment of the economy despite there being many thousands of us walking around with pocketfuls of money. Anything you see available for sale is almost always intended for Koreans and Asian foreigners; not Westerners other than special places like Itaewon and stores like Red Door, Haddon House, and Hannam mart. Despite it being intended for their Asian foreigners, we too can buy it, because we are here as consumers. I wish Korea would acknowledge the presence of Western foreigners as valuable customers, but they just don't understand what we want and how we want it.


Man are western foreigners in Korea a bunch of narcissists.

You know what foreigners in other countries do when they want to eat their food from back home? They open up a restaurant. If we want Ma & Pa diner, why don't we open one up and start serving that kind of food?

And why do Koreans have to start opening restaurants to feed us and make us happy? Why don't we open up restaurants that have foreign food modified to Korean tastes that Koreans will enjoy? There are more Koreans in Korea than foreigners and maybe we should recognize that but we just don't care what Koreans want and how they want it.

Korea and the people here do not exist to make us happy.


Are you talking about Taco Bell?
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
I met a Chinese guy who was complaining that all the Chinese food in Korea isn't Chinese it's Koreanized-Chinese. He had no idea what he was saying. I just looked at him and how pathetic he was.


How is that an incorrect statement?

Regardless, Koreans have every right to want corn and sweet potato on their pizza. That doesn't mean I have to be down with it. Similarly, Koreans don't have to be down with the kind of super-sweet appeasement that you'll often find at Korean restaurants in North America.
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