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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: Re: People are the problem |
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| In life, I find the vast majority of people I've met are 2-faced i.e. they are nice in your presence, but talk badly about you almost as soon as they are a distance far away enough, to not be heard. |
Rather than post the obscene amount of hypocritical "two-faced" comments fromtheuk has made in the past, I'll post this little summary in his own words:
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| A few years ago I signed up to this forum. I used to talk alot about the awful conduct of my Korean colleagues. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| UknowsI wrote: |
| Personally I think fromtheuk's posting style contradicts what he is saying. Maybe not always directly, but if you read between the lines. |
One of my favorites:
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| I know this sounds patronizing, but as a newbie you seem to have difficulty understanding the written word. Read all of my posts, and you'll see I am civil with everybody I meet. |
Then exactly 20 minutes later, in the same thread he posts this:
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| You're a pathetic child, who can't handle an opinion which contradicts what you want to hear. Grow up, and listen to what others have to say. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I do not claim in any way, shape or form to be 'Mr. Fantastic' |
ORLY?
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| I mean a teacher like me would never use those ideas because I'm so utterly imaginative and fantastic |
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| I feel I am worthy of many fantastic things |
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| I am being modest but I am a 'fantastic' teacher. |
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| I have now flourished into a fantastic teacher, with a shiny TESOL certificate. |
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| Snigger all they want, my beard looks fantastic. |
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| I don't mean to 'blow my own trumpet' but it when comes to music I have very high standards. I honestly think my album is fantastic. Why? Because it's mine? No. Because it genuinely sounds fantastic. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Hey everybody!!! When somebody goes to such great lengths to prove me wrong, you know they must love me a great deal.
Thank you my sweetness (that's if you're a woman).
In time-honoured tradition, let me have the last word, dear madoka.
I've mentioned I was a fantastic teacher, but I never said I was a fantastic human. We all have shortcomings, including myself.
On various threads, people get nasty and I feel compelled to respond in kind, only when necessary.
Previously, I've talked about bad personality traits of my co-teacher. I talked about her as part of a discussion about resentful co-teachers.
I'll concede one thing though, your avatar is pretty.  |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think in the past I've disliked you, ftuk. If i remember right I've agreed with everything thus far. But this Thread is a little irritating, the way it's turned.
Your defense was irritating to me personally purely because the amount of I's and I'ves that was used. (do you listen to Ives? If not then my music standards are objectively much higher).
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b] I just left my first session and I haven't even opened my mouth yet![/b]
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The one quoting your arrogance or whatever probably just found it funny, rather than loving you a great deal. I think it's unlikely to fall in love with someone via dave's forum. I came close to that with tomato, but I don't like tomatoes in general so I pulled away from it just in case.
Anyway, get over it y'all. If not, then, I don't care. I'm just posting something before it's time for work. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I've never heard of the band you refer to.
Please look at my thread about self-evaluation of the use of English. I suppose my repetitive use of 'I've' underscores my own assertion that my written language is sorely lacking.
As regards madoka, I was using sarcasm. It's clear he/she thinks I talk alot of nonsense and they usually highlight it on my threads.
Therefore, I made the point they must secretly like me to track down my old posts and quote them so often.
You're free to like/dislike anything you want Globutron.
I feel I am misunderstood. I'm not arrogant at all. I am quite self-critical, but also have some self-respect.
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red_devil

Joined: 30 Jun 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I've met a lot of those two-faced, throw you under the bus, type of people both in Seoul and of course notoriously in LA. My rule is simple. Life is too short to spend any time with these kind of people. Toss them out of your life without a second thought. They're trash. As soon as i find out they're that kind of person it's delete from FB, my phone address book. Done and move on.
There are genuine, real people out there. Rare but they're out there. I'd rather have 2 real friends or be alone than a host of fake or party only friends. And i'll be honest, sticking to this type of a moral philosophy does make for some quiet, alone weekends.
But it begs the question, "What is a real friend"? A person that doesn't do something only to get something in return, is genuinely interested in you as a person rather than what you can do for them or what you have, invites you to do non-clubbing or non-party things, introduces you to their friends and their network, talks with you about personal issues and values your feedback and thoughts, someone that you can rely on them in a pinch no questions asked. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I agree with your comments, that's how I feel.
I'd rather be on my own than in the company of slime.  |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Maybe so he doesn't get so upset in the future, we could all try to imagine what people are really thinking when they talk to fromtheuk!
Here's my take:
When people are talking to you, they are probably thinking 'well, he's self-absorbed, too used to being coddled (probably a mama's boy in a really unnatural and extreme almost psychotic way, not just in a 'kind of looks like a girl' way), and hopelessly childish... but at the same time, he's taken these qualities to such ridiculous extremes that he's actually kind of amusing, and most certainly harmless... so we won't tell him to piss off until he gets to be too much.'
No one really wants to hang out with you outside of work or work-related functions, but at the same time, when it comes right down to it they have to admit that they like having you around. The trouble is that sometimes you really really really do get to be too much, and sometimes people are rude about it. They don't feel bad about it because you're so harmless and oblivious and locked in your own world that they just assume it won't matter-- and you never let on that it does, but secretly you're holding massive grudges.
On the other hand, you really can't fault others, because they have to deal with children all day, and when all of their patience is gone they have none left for you. But when they have been having an all right week, they can actually find you amusing. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:48 am Post subject: |
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I don't see anything wrong with gossip. It is fun and is normally not malicious. If i witness someone flat out slating someone behind their back I'll take a dim view of that person...but that happens rarely. That probably means I'm the one being slated
I do know one thing (my dad says this when he's starting to make a point)...going through life obsessing about people 'respecting' you is a recipe for misery. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Location: England/Anyang
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| I've never heard of the band you refer to. |
Band... urrrrrgh. Ive's is objectively one of the best composers of all time. (none of this Mahler, Mozart, tchaicoughski crap)
My whole post was tongue in cheek, People should ignore 95% of my posts if they expect me to be entirely serious in these matters.
As for filtering friends out, I have spent a lot of my internet life doing so. Filtering through my facebook and deciding if people actually mean anything to me etc. I knocked the list from about 195 down to 70 just on a whim.
Msn down from 120 ish to 29. It never fluctuates above 30. I don't think it's very possible to have over 30 friends. Maybe impossible to have over 10. After ten a set of rings can be formed. The inner middle and outer rings, and any in between as you add more to your friend list.
If that makes sense. That's how I think about it anyway (not that I've ever thought about it consciously). So I stick to my 6 close friends that mean everything to me, and the rest can fade away without me blinking an eye, really, other than feigning disappointment in an incredibly lax manner, because that is what human's should do, thanks to sociological pressure but don't expect me to put more than 30% effort into it, I'm only doing it so you people don't bitch about me behind my back, because I know you will otherwise.
I have cameras on my clothes, you know. If you think you can pull faces when walking behind me, think again. Big mistake. I may not do anything straight away, but Karma has a way of biting back on backbiters.
My eyes are on you... you know who you are (I don't however, and would appreciate it if you told me now, in regards to my threats and camera positioning). |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:10 am Post subject: |
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I get it now Globutron.
ESL Milk - That's a deep and meaningful analysis, but pretty inaccurate.
Do you honestly think I'm this stupid in real life?!! Hehehe. Never!
I basically meet people who appear ardent for me to join their club, when they see I have no interest in them or their group, that's when they start to bad mouthe in quite a blatant way.
I also seem to make such people feel 'threatened', simply because I don't feel the need to be with them, I can be on my own and be very content.
I am pretty down to earth and self-aware. Whenever I converse with people, they seem angered by the
fact I am more eloquent than them, but I make it clear I am not going to be their new close friend. We are just chatting.
It's a case of me choosing not to be part of the crowd. I am always civil, but this is never enough for the 'let's all pretend we like each other' clique.
I am not an 'in your face' person, I know how to conduct myself thank you very much!  |
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Junior

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Location: the eye
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: Re: People are the problem |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| In life, I find the vast majority of people I've met are 2-faced i.e. they are nice in your presence, but talk badly about you almost as soon as they are a distance far away enough |
This is quite a feature of Brits, Aussies and kiwis. But not koreans (in my exp.)
Who R U referring to exactly? Saudis? |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I mean people of all backgrounds. I happen to be a Brit, but there's an exception to every rule.  |
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itistime
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I only read some of the posts and immediately after reading some of the lines in the original.....
you don't write like you're from the uk, 'from the uk'.
Maybe you are, but I immediately felt like a korean was on the esl message boards. I could be mistaken.
I didn't bother to go back and search your previous posts like some people have.
I'm a little bit of a loner too....the only reason I read as much as I did.
but, I'm also a social butterfly.
Maybe you're not korean, but you fooled me if it's not so.  |
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