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spelling, grammar, and teaching "wanna"
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "saving face" thing drives me crazy on some days... I'm trained to deal with it in negotiations... but it's a different animal all together in daily life.


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Can the mods make a rule saying that it is forbidden to correct grammar and spelling in posts? We all (most anyway) get paid to teach English several hours a day... the last thing we wanna see when we get back is being criticized for easing up on the book perfect English.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
Can the mods make a rule saying that it is forbidden to correct grammar and spelling in posts? We all (most anyway) get paid to teach English several hours a day... the last thing we wanna see when we get back is being criticized for easing up on the book perfect English.

I hate threads that complain about a user's grammar and spelling, too, but I'm not sure we need a bunch more rules around here.

This issue is better left in the hands of users, who can police (and on occasion, shout down) the spelling and grammar cops.

(PS. "want to", not "wanna". Smile )
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, where I'm from, you better say "wanna" or we'll beat you down.


I've been teaching my kids the concept of combining two words into an "informal contraction".

wanna, gonna, shoulda, coulda...
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I've been teaching my kids the concept of combining two words into an "informal contraction".

wanna, gonna, shoulda, coulda...


Please don't!!!!! These forms are so overused in inappropriate situations here it makes me want to throw up. Especially "wanna". Heck, some hogwons (e.g. Wonderland) even teach it as the correct way to say "want to".
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Write "want to".
Say "wanna".
Do you write and say "etc"?
Do you say "et cetera"?
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure that they gather the concept of informal.

Y'all people from Maryland sure do talk crazy.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I teach a difference between accepted and slang.

Koreans pick up on this idea very well given how codified it is in Korean.

All I have to do is say, "Now kiddies... to wonjongnim, you say 'want to' but to your friends, you say 'wanna'. Aigayso?"
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"aigayso"

Shocked
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahresseo? Confused
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanna, gunna, etc.. is ok when you are teaching the low form of english (american) but we all know what we should say to have these words spoken correctly... Razz
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JennyJJ



Joined: 01 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple previous posts (re: "wanna") stated:

the concept of combining two words into an "informal contraction".

teaching the low form of english (american)


Please don�t teach this kind of garbage to your students.

�Wanna� is not an �informal contraction", nor is it �low form� of English. It is simply a reduction that occurs naturally in normal rapidly spoken speech. For reference see the pronunciation book Sound Advantage page 103 - or any other decent pronunciation book. Some teachers overemphasize the pronunciation instead of teaching it as a reduction. Don�t teach it as slang or �trash� language � just acknowledge the reduction and how it occurs.

Yes, for the Brits, this is more a feature of what might be called (by some authors) �relaxed� American pronunciation, but buzz off with this �low form� stuff.

Teachers at the university level spend an inordinate amount of time correcting �stuff� learned at the hogwans when their students were younger. Please don�t add to it.

Love,

Jenny
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peppergirl



Joined: 07 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
ryleeys wrote:
I've been teaching my kids the concept of combining two words into an "informal contraction".

wanna, gonna, shoulda, coulda...


Please don't!!!!! These forms are so overused in inappropriate situations here it makes me want to throw up. Especially "wanna". Heck, some hogwons (e.g. Wonderland) even teach it as the correct way to say "want to".


So true... One Japanese professor I know gave a talk at an international meeting saying wanna/gonna all the time... he looked sooooo stupid!
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

katydid wrote:
Ahresseo? Confused


i dunno, it depends on whether he's wanting a polite form or not. i think he was trying to say that other one, which is hard to romanize. offtopic!!!

the previous two posts before mine confuse me. Confused
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont teach anything but 'want to' and 'going to'.

there are right and wrong words used everywhere.. wanna and gunna are wrong.

JennyJJ wrote:
It is simply a reduction that occurs naturally in normal rapidly spoken speech.


JennyJJ wrote:
Some teachers overemphasize the pronunciation instead of teaching it as a reduction.


it should not be taught at all... you even said it occurs naturally then you went on to say teaching it as a reduction..

if it is not taught at all and they are taught the correct way to pronounce these types of words isn't it then a fact, if what you claim is correct, that they will pick this up by themselves?

please don't teach wanna and gunna garbage to your students.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylde wrote:
wanna, gunna, etc.. is ok when you are teaching the low form of english (american) but we all know what we should say to have these words spoken correctly... Razz


Since when is "American" the low form of English?
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