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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: Anyone taken the British Council CELTA in Seoul? |
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I'm interested in taking the course in July, I believe.
2,000,000 won seems a bit exhorbitant but I'm just wondering a couple things:
What is the overview of the course?
And if you took it, what did you get out of it, besides the luxury of putting CELTA on your resume?
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I had no teaching experience when I did CELTA, would love to go back and do it again because I would pick up a lot more.
There's a comprehensive look at teaching methodology, classroom dynamics, a couple of assignments that cover evaluating textbook materials, observation of one student's strengths and weaknesses etc...things like that. They pack a beep load into 4 weeks, so there's a lot to get a handle on, but it's well worth it.
edit: i just noticed you were asking for those who did it in Seoul. I didn't. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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blake wrote: |
edit: i just noticed you were asking for those who did it in Seoul. I didn't. |
Any CELTA course will do, but more specifically Seoul.

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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:53 am Post subject: |
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cool. for anyone else interested in CELTA, I've heard people from all over, specially UK go to my hometown to do it, because it's cheaper and a great way to see a bit of Durban (South Africa) as well. Their site is http://www.ihdurban.co.za/ |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:37 am Post subject: |
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You have to question why you would want a CELTA cert.
In korean terms it's too high a level for hagwons (anything is!!!), yet not enough for universities. Kind of in-between.
It's very useful for teaching in Europe though, where it is a requirement for any decent ESL job. |
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Zed

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I did mine in Madrid. The price was similar. I haven't found that it has been of much benefit looking for jobs in Korea. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:53 am Post subject: |
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It's very useful for teaching in Europe though, where it is a requirement for any decent ESL job. |
For sure, and useful for Japan where I had originally planned to go.
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You have to question why you would want a CELTA cert.
In korean terms it's too high a level for hagwons (anything is!!!), yet not enough for universities. Kind of in-between.
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I agree. If I'd known I was coming to korea I probably wouldn't have done it, but I'm still glad I did it. |
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J.B. Clamence

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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2,000,000 W is kind of high end. That's about what it costs in London as well. I did mine in Barcelona for about $1000 US. From what I've heard, that's about as cheap as it gets.
I had already been teaching for a year and a half when I did it, and I found a lot of it helpful, altough I had received similar training when I started working, so in truth it didn't really change my teaching dramatically, but I am glad that I did it.
Also, I'm not limiting myself to Korea, so having a CELTA is a nice thing to have if you plan on teaching elsewhere. For Korea, it doesn't seem help you on paper. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Well, it depends on what you mean by "useful". If you mean "helps me be a better teacher, regardless of who I'm teaching" then the CELTA course is helpful. If you mean "I'll get a better job in Korea," probably not.
I had about 2 1/2 years of teaching in Korea before I did my CELTA in Prague. I'd say about 1/4 of the course is bull....but the rest was great...especially when it came to analyizing grammar. You never know what grammar question you might be asked, and this helps you break it down and figure out the rule. (Why IS it that we say "go to work, go to the movies" but NOT "go TO home?") |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I took it when it was at Yonsei. I believe the same head trainer is in charge.
It's an excellent course. I had five years of teaching under my belt (and a certificate from a school that didn't have the cachet of the CELTA, though was very similar) and I still got a lot out of the course. As far as what was in the course, see blake's message.
You don't need it to teach in a hagwan, but it will give you the tools to be a better teacher, so I wouldn't let that stop me from taking it. I've read that, if you want to teach in some SE Asian countries, you need a cert, so it might be good for long term prospects - certainly if you try for a job in Europe.
I teach at a university without an MA (though I am working on one) and the main reason I got the job is the CELTA.
I've heard good and bad things about the CELTA in different locations, but I am very enthusiastic about the course in Korea. Because your 'practice students' will be Korean, you will have an advantage because you are familiar with Korean types of mistakes and problems - the better to tailor your lessons and your evaluation of a student to(one of the assignments). Likewise, you won't have to acculturate to a new location for the course.
Most people should be able to pass the course. Just keep an open mind, apply what you learn (whether you believe in it or not - I do, by the way), and stay on top of the assignments. Our class lost one because he didn't do the first and the second.
Good luck! |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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gypsyfish wrote: |
I've heard good and bad things about the CELTA in different locations, but I am very enthusiastic about the course in Korea. Because your 'practice students' will be Korean, you will have an advantage because you are familiar with Korean types of mistakes and problems - the better to tailor your lessons and your evaluation of a student to(one of the assignments). |
So I guess there is a practicum. Would we have to set up a school ourselves to do this? Or would they have that already?
Anyway, that's no problem. I've been here a year and a half already.
I'd be using the CELTA for teaching in a Korean uni or Japan.
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Using CELTA to teach in Korean universities - you're implying that Korean universities even know what a CELTA is, never mind ask for a CELTA? And I don't believe CELTA or DELTA will beat out a related or unrelated M.A. (even though I think this is sad).
It won't make a difference if you do CELTA in Bangkok, Brisbane or Seoul.
In fact, in places like Brisbane and Thailand you'll work with a mix of international students. This could definitely be to your advantage if you ever go back home to teach ESL as most ESL classes are made up of various nationalities. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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Zed wrote: |
I did mine in Madrid. The price was similar. I haven't found that it has been of much benefit looking for jobs in Korea. |
Private, and most public schools, don't recognize TESOL / TEFL training.
In fact, private and public schools don't even care what subject your degree is in.
eamo wrote: |
You have to question why you would want a CELTA cert.
In korean terms it's too high a level for hagwons (anything is!!!), yet not enough for universities. Kind of in-between.
It's very useful for teaching in Europe though, where it is a requirement for any decent ESL job. |
In Taiwan, people with unrelated M.A. and Ph.D degrees are obtaing some of the 'best' jobs in universities and colleges.
The MOE in Taiwan doesn't recognize CELTA or DELTA.
Strangely, We care more about improving our teaching skills then the local governments and universities do - and I find that mind boggling!
In a way, though, I'm not that surprised because I don't think the beureaucrats in government and academics leading universities understand or even know about such things as CELTA and DELTA.
British Council in Taipei City is the only private school on Taiwan that requires applicants to hold CELTA or DELTA prior to applying. |
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TECO

Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Also - Private and public ELT schools I've talked to in Australia all recognize and place value on CELTA and DELTA.
This is also the case in Canada and a lot of European countries.
Asia, is like living in the Wild, Wild, West - anything goes. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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TECO wrote: |
It won't make a difference if you do CELTA in Bangkok, Brisbane or Seoul.
In fact, in places like Brisbane and Thailand you'll work with a mix of international students. This could definitely be to your advantage if you ever go back home to teach ESL as most ESL classes are made up of various nationalities. |
It's nice to teach in a multi-national class, but I still say there is an advantage to taking the CELTA in Korea if you've taught here and undersand what Korea 2d language learners problems are. For example, when I interviewed my student to assess his ability, I was able to direct the questions to areas that I suspected he would have probems with. I asked what kind of food he liked and when he said Italian, I knew he would mispronounce spaghetti. I asked him what kind of Italian food he liked, he mispronounced it and I had another point to write about in the assessment. Other advantages are being able to tailor your pracitce teaching to students you are familiar with. You can use cultural references that they know. If you have taught Korean students for a while, you probably have 'tricks' that you've learned, that work for them and you can use them. For example, many students have difficulty pronuncing supermarket. They say shupermarket. Because I've lived in Korea for a while, I know they can say kalguksu, a kind of soup, so it's a short step to get them to say kalguksu-permarket. If I had taken my CELTA in Bangkok, that knowlege wouldn't have helped me.
I'm not saying that studying in Bangkok, or Barcelona, or Berlin would be bad. They are my favorite cities that start with 'B'. I just think that knowing the students you will be teaching gives you a leg up. Add that to the fact that you don't have the distractions of studying in a new, interesting city (because there really isn't much sightseeing time), you would be near your personal teaching materials, you know where everything (restaurants, bookstores, etc) is, and that you wouldn't have to pay double rent that month, taking the CELTA in Seoul is a good idea. And other than having taken the course here, I have no other affilation with the course. |
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