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Robots to phase out flesh-and-blood foreign English teachers
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, this is great.

Although I feel *very* threatened, the great thing about native speaker teachers is that they can be kicked and ddongchimed repeatedly by rowdy students without need for costly repairs. Laughing

And the price tag of 2,000,000 won -- might seem cheap compared to a flesh-and-blood native speaker, but consider this:
How much is it going to cost to repair/replace this thing every single week when a student kicks it or ddongchims it?

I wonder how this robot will manage classes, especially larger classes of 40 or 50 students.

sojusucks wrote:
They expect all of this to happen by 2013 based on what? Alien technology recovered at UFO crash sites?
Hahaha, amen to that.

Don't get me wrong -- I think software and perhaps even robots have a certain level of usefulness for learning, BUT the ludicrous assumption that within three years, this robot will make human English teachers obsolete... LOL...

And by the way, supposing it could pull off that feat, wouldn't it also make Korean teachers obsolete, as well?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
As far as I can see from the pictures available online anyway, there will not be any "Robotics" involved except for the arms and wheels. The device they are calling a robot is actually a computer screen on wheels that shows a live feed from a webcam while simultaneously feeding back images and sounds to the location of the webcam. Basically what we all know as Skype or MSN messenger with video. The teaching is done by a flesh and blood teacher via the webcam. The only difference between this and teaching by teleconference or online is that the screen is put on wheels and moved around infront of students.

The idea of remote teaching by teleconference technology has been around for a while. It is a good idea and has benefits but while the technology has surely been there for almost a decade or more, despite potential cost savings it has not taken off much in any country for and discipline, let alone ESL. That is as far as I have heard.

So I think the basic premise of the robot idea is flawed because for a little extra cost, they could have a real life teacher in the classroom. Schools using these "robots" will be beaten out of the market by schools that use live teachers. Since when you divide the cost of a live teacher over the number of students they teach every day it comes out at not very much per student. I regularly teach more than 100 students per day and even if my salary is 100,000won per day that still only comes out at 1,000won per student - a pittance.

Korea Herald reporters need to check the stories they write...


Yes, I've seen that video too. But you still have to pay the Phillipina teacher too right?! So that further eats into your cost savings.

But the article also mentioned the robot freezing if the students went of script. That means that there is built in dialogue software in addition to the teleconferencing aspect.

I want to know how they will use these robots to run the extra classes that we do by ourselves. How will the robots help the rest of the English department with their day to day English problems? How will the robots build relationships with the students that make them want to come back and learn again? Such a dumb idea.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that what we'll probably see at some point in the near future (near being in the next 10 years) is more video conferencing. It would probably be a lot cheaper to pay a video conference type company in the USA or elsewhere to round up local teacher, perhaps even ones who teach from home, and set up a big screen and video camera in the classroom. They'll still need a local to monitor the kids, but that could be anyone. It wouldn't even need to be a teacher. Maybe just some part-time college kid, paid to sit there and occasionally make sure kids are behaving, clean up the room afterwards, turn on/off the computer, etc.

If they went through some video-teaching company, the company itself could pay teachers anywhere in the world, as long as the teacher has high speed internet at home. The schools could pay in advance for a certain number of hours based on how many classes they need a teacher for that month. The company would hire teachers and pay them per hour. If the school doesn't like a certain teacher, they can easily get rid of them and get a new one next week. No complaints from the teacher. No extra payments like airfare and apartment. No runners. Sure, most moms would like their kids to have in-person time with the teacher, but for the reduced cost (and possibility of even having the classes at home via internet) would probably convince some to go for it.

It would be a benefit to some teachers as well. The teacher could be living some place cheap like Peru but making more money teaching online classes than what a local in-person class would pay.

I don't think that the robots and video classes will ever totally replace in person classroom teaching but I can easily picture video classes increasing dramatically in the next decade.
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rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
I think that what we'll probably see at some point in the near future (near being in the next 10 years) is more video conferencing. It would probably be a lot cheaper to pay a video conference type company in the USA or elsewhere to round up local teacher, perhaps even ones who teach from home, and set up a big screen and video camera in the classroom. They'll still need a local to monitor the kids, but that could be anyone. It wouldn't even need to be a teacher. Maybe just some part-time college kid, paid to sit there and occasionally make sure kids are behaving, clean up the room afterwards, turn on/off the computer, etc.

If they went through some video-teaching company, the company itself could pay teachers anywhere in the world, as long as the teacher has high speed internet at home. The schools could pay in advance for a certain number of hours based on how many classes they need a teacher for that month. The company would hire teachers and pay them per hour. If the school doesn't like a certain teacher, they can easily get rid of them and get a new one next week. No complaints from the teacher. No extra payments like airfare and apartment. No runners. Sure, most moms would like their kids to have in-person time with the teacher, but for the reduced cost (and possibility of even having the classes at home via internet) would probably convince some to go for it.

It would be a benefit to some teachers as well. The teacher could be living some place cheap like Peru but making more money teaching online classes than what a local in-person class would pay.

I don't think that the robots and video classes will ever totally replace in person classroom teaching but I can easily picture video classes increasing dramatically in the next decade.
I agree with this, more or less.

I agree that pre-recorded videos of highly-skilled teachers, as well as video conferencing with teachers in other locations, will become the norm.

When I did my BSL, I did extensive self-study (in order to test out of courses) using AcademicEarth. Basically all the lectures were recorded from MIT, UC Berkeley, Yale, etc. Honestly, the lecturers were so good, I began to wonder "why bother having a flesh-and-blood person lecture when these lecturers do a far better job and their lectures are free?"

I agree that Korea will start to have video conferencing with teachers in India and the Philippines.

I don't think they'll use videoconferencing with teachers in America much, though. They'd still need to pay a Korean to be present in the classroom to keep order, and the American would require relatively high wages because of America's extremely high cost of living. I don't really see that happening.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic comes up every now and then in the papers and on the sites. It sure captures the imagination, but what we've seen from when they're actually used, the robots suck. Last month Time magazine named the robots one of their top inventions of 2010, obviously not doing much homework on them:

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2010/11/time-magazine-names-koreas-english.html

If English is as important as everyone knows and says it is, it's time to move beyond gimmics. Koreans already struggle actually using the language because of the way English is rendered ridiculous and exists as a subject, and not a language, detached from actual English speakers. Taking English speakers out of the classroom won't help.
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JBomb



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is great to see the ideas of robots in the classroom. Using them to get rid of native teachers however misses the point. Technology should not replace the teacher and should only help and reinforce learning objectives. Imagine, a k-teacher, an NET, and a robot. Sounds fun to me.
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Robots to phase out flesh-and-blood foreign English teac Reply with quote

liveinkorea316 wrote:
This article gave me a good laugh!

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/12/123_77813.html


Did you read the part that says it freezes whenever students go off script? Even if they fix it, they're replace it with the broken record response. "I'm sorry I don't understand". Even Alice 2.0 does that, and that seems to be the best interactive English chat buddy I've found.

To get rid of that, the sheer amount of time to program all the possible variations of every day conversation scenarios along with the necessary depth means our jobs are safe for at least another decade
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sublunari



Joined: 11 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be more practical to replace the Koreans with robots. That way they could study around the clock and spend their whole lives slaving away at mindless occupations without any of the problems caused by free-thinking human beings.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who says they want real conversations and want to be exposed to foreigners??

Bibbitybop wrote:
No matter how well a Korean learns English, they won't be able to use it in the real world if they are never exposed to foreigners and the atmosphere and non-verbal communication that goes with real conversations.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wonder if there might be any job opening to teach the robots.... It would certainly be a step up in my case...

nevertheless perhaps we can hope for an ED209 situation hehe
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