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Executing Innocents (Again..)
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:38 am    Post subject: Executing Innocents (Again..) Reply with quote

I read this story in the NYT: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20101210/OPINION/101209410/1042?Title=KRISTOF-California-man-framed-for-murder-judges-say

So 5 federal judges reckon this guy is probably innocent. But no, he's going to be executed next week.

Lets hope Arnie does the right thing and terminates this execution (nice pun eh!) and orders a retrial.

I've gotta say, of all the first world countries, I'd least like to be wrongfully arrested in the US than any other country.
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The Great Wall of Whiner



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he is executed, I'll be upset.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been a few years since I've lived in California; however, I don't think the law's been changed to allow the Governor to order a new trial. Isn't that a function of the courts?
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Space Bar



Joined: 20 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another reason the death penalty should be abolished.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Canada: These scumbags are alive & well: Clifford Olsen, Paul Bernardo, Russ Williams, Robert Pickton, Karla Homolka, ... to name a very few.

Decent, law-abiding citizens like myself have only one view of the role of capital punishment in a truly civilized society...


Hang 'em high and hang 'em often....
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The case of Kevin Cooper goes beyond reasonable doubt. The guy was flat out set up by the LA's finest Laughing . I'm telling you, be very afraid of your local police.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Connecticut, there was a very famous case called "The Cheshire Murder Case" in which a doctor's wife and two daughters were all brutally raped and burned alive when the perpetrators burned the house to the ground.
The two men involved confessed to the crime, so there was no question of guilt. But because of the media coverage of the crime (including the book), it was guaranteed that the two men would never get a fair trial.
One of the men, Steven Hayes, was recently tried for the murders of Jennifer, Michaela and Hayley Petit. The trial was tainted from day one as juror after juror were dismissed for various reasons. The defense attorney requested a mistrial due to the fact that the men would never get a fair due to the media coverage of the event. However, the presiding judge rejected the mistrial request and sentenced to death, although the jury recommended life in prison.
The kicker was that the two men were arrested and sent to prison for armed robbery and assault, yet were let out due to prison over crowdedness.
There were rumors that the husband and father of the victims, William Petit, took out an insurance policy on his family a few years prior to the crime. However, the media looked past this part during the trial and during most of the coverage.

Another case involved a Yale student that was killed in September, 2009 by a lab technician where they both worked.
The big problem with this case was that Yale pressured the New Haven Police Department and FBI to solve the case as soon as possible. However, Yale University refused to close down the crime scene so investigators could look for clues. During this time, the perpetrator used the time to clean valuable evidence from the crime scene. Also, the delay in closing the building where it happened caused a delay in searching for the body of the victim. It wasn't until the weekend after the crime that investigators got full access to the crime scene and they were able to find the body and the clues to catching the person who did it.
However, the clues were so tainted and the body was so decomposed that although they had enough to arrest the man responsible, there is still a good chance for a mistrial and the man can go free (though, I doubt that will happen).

Another case was of a German student went out jogging and went missing for several weeks back in 1999. Her body was found a few weeks later near a local park. Initially, evidence of the crime pointed toward a renown professor at Yale. However, despite the evidence against him, he was never charged and the crime remains unsolved.

Yet, there was an incident in which a judge ran over and killed a New Haven Police Officer. However, because the judge was a relative of George Bush, it was deemed an accident and the case was closed- although evidence showed that the judge was taking medication that could've impaired his vision.


Although the American justice system is considered 'the best in the world', there are many major flaws in it that could be influenced by political and commercial pressure and is far from consistent.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:
Although the American justice system is considered 'the best in the world',


Considered the best in the world by who?
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mc_jc



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Considered the best in the world by who?


By those who believe in it.

But that's not my argument.
Please read the post again.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:
Quote:
Considered the best in the world by who?


By those who believe in it.


And those people would be who?

mc_jc wrote:
But that's not my argument.


I'm not interested in your bland, rambling argument. I'm interested in a particular statement you made and I'm asking you a question about it. If you can't answer it, that's fine; I didn't expect you'd be able to provide a satisfactory answer, but I thought I'd give you a chance.
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmm.....
I DID give my answer when I said it has flaws.
Didn't you get that point?

Where am I saying that I am disputing the OP?

Again, please read my post.


Very Happy
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mc_jc wrote:
hmm.....
I DID give my answer when I said it has flaws.


No, you didn't. "It has flaws," is not a person, such that it can hold the opinion that the American justice system is "the best."

mc_jc wrote:
Again, please read my post.


I thought I was pretty clear when I said I didn't care about the rest of your rambling babble. I'm asking a clear question about a specific statement. If you can't provide an answer, fine.
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LGSakers



Joined: 23 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
And those people would be who?
The obvious answer would be the people who support it and do nothing to change it. Plainly apparent to me when mc_jc said the people who believe in it.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LGSakers wrote:
Fox wrote:
And those people would be who?


The obvious answer would be the people who support it and do nothing to change it.


"Supporting X and doing nothing to change it," isn't synonymous with, "Considering X the best in the world." Thanks for your thoughts on the matter, though.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
mc_jc wrote:
Although the American justice system is considered 'the best in the world',


Considered the best in the world by who?


Pretty sure I heard it on Law and Order. Wink
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