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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Very afraid Reply with quote

Let's make cars/buses/trains illegal - I hate breathing in that second-hand carbon-monoxide.....

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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: Exactly Reply with quote

JW wrote:
Thate sounds better.


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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ireland are only banning public smoking, to fall into line with E.C guidelines. Ireland is one of the most pro E.U countries in Europe, they're almost on a par with Italy.
i don't blame them. after having to put up with the English for so long, they jumped at the chance to join the big Europe gang.
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PEIGUY



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they should be able to smoke but in designated spaces within the bar. Like back in PEI Canada we have smoking rooms in the bar, smokers can still smoke and take there drink with them. I have worked in a bar as a bouncer for three years and i have never enjoyed it as much until they banned smoking. Emptying out tar filled ashtrays is just disgusting. Also, you get complaints about the smoking room being too disgusting! well now you know how non smokers feel about it!!! when we have to sit there and inhale all the smoke. I get a kick out of when people go outside to smoke because the room is too "smoky" cracks me up I tell ya..
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Exactly Reply with quote

komtengi wrote:
Yesterday wrote:
Exactly - in Australia a couple of years ago they made it illegal smoke smoke in a Bar! - as in Pub!!!! Now....

Hello?!? I thought bars/pubs were built specifically for people who liked to drink/smoke?


I thought they were built for people to DRINK, moreso than smoking. Wanna smoke go to a cigar bar, or open your own cigarette bar. I like my beer, but that doesnt mean I want to inhale someone elses smoke with it.


Nothing worse than some rude git smoking next to someone trying to eat a meal.
I think its cool if the owner wants to allow smoking in their establishment, but then they need to be prepared for the possibilities of legal action from employees, as has been seen before.


I agree.

I am a non-smoker and I usually refuse hitting bars with friends, as I don't want to be subject to all that smoking! Why should my health suffer and I smell like a piece of crap, just because people want to smoke?

I want to eat my food without having smoke coming my way. IMO ALL restaruants in the world should be non-smoking. If you want to get all chatty and smoke - GO OUTSIDE!!!

Some people just don't get it: smoking kills. Smoking drains the health care system. Smoking is PAYING for a slow death!!!
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kelly



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:56 pm    Post subject: smoking Reply with quote

In Ireland nowadays many of the younger people don't smoke. Going into a bar and being surrounded by the smell is pretty disgusting and theres nothing more disgusting than the smell of your clothes after a night out. My family are bar owners in Ireland and are more than happy to have had the ban brought in. Its not going to damage the industry, people go out to drink not to smoke, as for the publicans it will also save them money on A/C and decorating, as regards damage done by the smoke inside. So all in all I think it'll be a pretty good thing. You say people should be able to decide themselves whether or not they can smoke in a public establishment, what about the people that don't smoke, shouldn't they have the right to go into a bar and be comfortable and enjoy there night rather than choking on the smoke and stinking off it the next morning???
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Sojuman99



Joined: 30 Nov 2003
Location: Leaning Right

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: smoking Reply with quote

kelly wrote:
In Ireland nowadays many of the younger people don't smoke. Going into a bar and being surrounded by the smell is pretty disgusting and theres nothing more disgusting than the smell of your clothes after a night out. My family are bar owners in Ireland and are more than happy to have had the ban brought in. Its not going to damage the industry, people go out to drink not to smoke, as for the publicans it will also save them money on A/C and decorating, as regards damage done by the smoke inside. So all in all I think it'll be a pretty good thing. You say people should be able to decide themselves whether or not they can smoke in a public establishment, what about the people that don't smoke, shouldn't they have the right to go into a bar and be comfortable and enjoy there night rather than choking on the smoke and stinking off it the next morning???


I'll take a stab.

The publicans should be able to make the choice is all I'm saying. If what you say is true, the market would decide that people enjoy smoke free bars better than those that allow smoking. Gov't wouldn't need to pass the law. What is stopping independant bar owners from making their bar smoke free ? Yet, rarely will one see a late night establishment that is smoke free unless it's a LAW.

I lived in a town where they enacted a smoking ban. The bars died. The ones which survived had patios and now there are like 50 people outside smoking all the time, no one inside.

I agree that most "public" places should be off limits to smoking, but as for private businesses, the owner should be able to decide. But then again, I'm not a socialist.

PS. The reason the young people in Ireland don't smoke is because the gov't has taxed the hell out of tobacco. You have seen them smoke in Asia I'll bet.
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kelly



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:51 pm    Post subject: S Reply with quote

Thats true its insane the price of ciggaretes in Ireland but maybe its a good thing, discouraging the younger generation from smoking. As regards outdoor bars, maybe that would be the way to go but I dunno, can't see many of our punters being into that kinda thing. In my eyes its a good idea, but then again I'm a non smoker, as for my dad I can imagine he's well p***** about it! Wink
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quit smoking yesterday after 16 years... its a filthy habit, smokers should be isolated in cubicles miles away from me.
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Ghostinthemachine



Joined: 22 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
I quit smoking yesterday after 16 years... its a filthy habit, smokers should be isolated in cubicles miles away from me.


Hey best of luck rapier! Smile

I quit a couple of weeks back but I started again on Saturday as soon as I arrived back in Korea. Embarassed

I going to have another go at quitting again this weekend so.....fingers crossed.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

i quit although, i seem to be smoking when i drink again, so who really knows what that means...

that the governments should just make smoking illegal. obviously, it's an evil substance that kills thousands of people every year. i can only speak for canada here, but do you know why they don't make it illegal? because they make so much bloody money off the taxes that it doesn't make sense to make it illegal. or maybe if they made smoking totally illegal we would find out that cars are more responsible for the air pollution than most people would like to admit.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghostinthemachine wrote:
rapier wrote:
I quit smoking yesterday after 16 years... its a filthy habit, smokers should be isolated in cubicles miles away from me.


Hey best of luck rapier! Smile

I quit a couple of weeks back but I started again on Saturday as soon as I arrived back in Korea. Embarassed

I going to have another go at quitting again this weekend so.....fingers crossed.

Thanks, good luck to you as well. My effort is going well so far: its looking quite serious now, haven't smoked for about 36 hours. I find using the patches takes the edge off the craving quite well, I've bought patches for a week and want to stop them after that time.. Also I've started at the gym and am drinking a litre of water every day to wash out my system. I think my body's in shock, still. But I already feel better!
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Sojuman99



Joined: 30 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
i quit although, i seem to be smoking when i drink again, so who really knows what that means...

that the governments should just make smoking illegal. obviously, it's an evil substance that kills thousands of people every year. i can only speak for canada here, but do you know why they don't make it illegal? because they make so much bloody money off the taxes that it doesn't make sense to make it illegal. or maybe if they made smoking totally illegal we would find out that cars are more responsible for the air pollution than most people would like to admit.


yes, smoking is bad for you.

But why stop there ?

Lets outlaw:


Tobacco
Alcohol
Any and all foods that might adversely affect the human body
All vehicles (#1 killer of young people ?)
Pre marital sex
Any and all dangerous sports (skiing, bike riding, etc.)
Jogging (didn't jim Fixx die this way)

I could go on and on. BTW, I'm being sarcastic

PS: Congrats to those of you have quit.
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royjones



Joined: 26 Mar 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sojuman99 wrote:
paperbag princess wrote:
i quit although, i seem to be smoking when i drink again, so who really knows what that means...

that the governments should just make smoking illegal. obviously, it's an evil substance that kills thousands of people every year. i can only speak for canada here, but do you know why they don't make it illegal? because they make so much bloody money off the taxes that it doesn't make sense to make it illegal. or maybe if they made smoking totally illegal we would find out that cars are more responsible for the air pollution than most people would like to admit.


yes, smoking is bad for you.

But why stop there ?

Lets outlaw:


Tobacco
Alcohol
Any and all foods that might adversely affect the human body
All vehicles (#1 killer of young people ?)
Pre marital sex
Any and all dangerous sports (skiing, bike riding, etc.)
Jogging (didn't jim Fixx die this way)

I could go on and on. BTW, I'm being sarcastic

PS: Congrats to those of you have quit.


lol.. well i for one would not like to die, with lung cancer strapped up to an oxygen machine, cause I decided to go to a bar and have a couple drinks. I think its kinda inconsiderate, and selfish to think you can smoke while affecting my heath, and think its your right and dont care about anything else.
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PEIGUY



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Omokgyo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would think that bar owners would take into account there staff's personal health. As we all know, legal actions have been won against people got cancer after working in bars.. I've never smoked a day in my life ( got the crap scared out of me in gr 6 when i was shown a smokers lung) but after working in bars i've had enough second-hand smoke to do me for a while!. Most people don't realize how disgusting it is till they quit, too bad we couldn't educate those who still smoke. Congrats to everyone has quit, its not any easy by any means!
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