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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| And if Apple were really 'all that' why did the iPhone 4, a product they've already had several versions of, get released with the antenna fault and other bugs? |
And if the iPhone isn't "all that" why does every other person on the bus/subway seem to be holding one? Why is it that 18 out of 20 people in my office have one?
It seems now that the momentum is behind Apple, the "PC" guys have become the fanboys. |
and almost all of those people are taking them home and connecting them to a windows machine. Especially in Korea.
They make a reasonable PMP/phone, their computers do nothing for me. |
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zhanknight
Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Location: Yangsan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| shinjin wrote: |
And if the iPhone isn't "all that" why does every other person on the bus/subway seem to be holding one? Why is it that 18 out of 20 people in my office have one?
It seems now that the momentum is behind Apple, the "PC" guys have become the fanboys. |
This is Korea. Here, even more so than in the west, everyone owning something doesn't mean it's a good piece of technology, it means that it's popular and/or fashionable.
Not saying the iPhone sucks, I owned a first gen and a 3G. Just saying that you can't reason that it is 'all that' because everyone bought one. There are a million examples of that not being the case.
While we're on it, though - who remembers the switch from Power PC to Intel? Maybe Apple wasn't 'all that' if they needed to change to the same architecture as their 'lousy' competitor! 
People should just evaluate products and purchase what is effective for them. If you like a particular brand, cool. Defending it and arguing about it with people is kind of frightening - are you that usurped by marketing? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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As said above, Apple are a fine MP3/phone company.......the rest of their products aren't worth the money.
And I don't have the energy to get into my 9th or 10th PC vs Mac debate on this forum. Let's just go straight to the conclusion we always reach in these threads and save 12 pages of nonsense;
You seem happy with your Apple stuff, and I'm happy with my PC stuff. |
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shinjin
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| zhanknight wrote: |
| This is Korea. Here, even more so than in the west, everyone owning something doesn't mean it's a good piece of technology, it means that it's popular and/or fashionable. |
Do you honestly believe that if the iPhone was a pos, every other Korean would still own one because it's "fashionable"? This is the typical, cynical eslcafe groupthink bs.
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| Defending it and arguing about it with people is kind of frightening - are you that usurped by marketing? |
"usurped by marketing?" What the hell are you going on about? I'm one of the two people in office that don't have an iPhone and I'm running Debian on a Lenovo while my macbook collects dust in my room.
Try directing your comments to eamo. He's the one who thought it was appropriate to defend Windows 7 in a thread about tablets.
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shinjin
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| As said above, Apple are a fine MP3/phone company.......the rest of their products aren't worth the money. |
This is an interesting comment coming from someone who proudly admits using pirated copies of Windows. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| shinjin wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| As said above, Apple are a fine MP3/phone company.......the rest of their products aren't worth the money. |
This is an interesting comment coming from someone who proudly admits using pirated copies of Windows. |
What's pirated Windows got to do with anything? |
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shinjin
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well obviously...
You were extolling the greatness of Windows as a counterpoint to someone praising Apple. You're also saying Apple is expensive.
The fact that you won't shell out for a Windows license kinda undermines your points, doesn't it? You get what you pay for, I suppose. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well obviously...
You were extolling the greatness of Windows as a counterpoint to someone praising Apple. You're also saying Apple is expensive.
The fact that you won't shell out for a Windows license kinda undermines your points, doesn't it? You get what you pay for, I suppose. |
Not at all! What a strange way to think about someone's use of pirated Windows........Windows 7 is an excellent OS, but it's even better free! Can you not get that?
Using a pirate version has no reflection on my views of software at all........ strange that you should think so. |
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shinjin
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Using a pirate version has no reflection on my views of software at all........ strange that you should think so. |
Don't get me wrong: you and I would probably laugh about this over a beer, but I find your pov equally strange. You and I were obviously raised differently. It's no wonder that Apple products seem overpriced to you. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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I also think the OP's point was that people went on for pages about how stupid Apple was for releasing a tablet computer and that no one would buy the useless, glorified iPod Touch/iPhone, yet no one seems to have a bad thing to say about Samsung for doing the same.
Since Apple has blown up over the past several years, people have just been hatin lol.  |
Glad to see someone gets it. It's obvious to me that all of those posters hating on the iPad for pages and pages, were actually anti-apple.... And that's fine. But no need to hide behind a facade. |
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shinjin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| I, for one, was glad to hear about the Galaxy Tab's release. Whenever a Samsung product is released, you can be sure that a similar Apple product that was released two years earlier will be let into Korea. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| saw one on the train today. Looks okay, no bigger than the KT Identity Tab. not sure which one is better. I only got a chance to look at the identity tab briefly when I picked up my iphone. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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I have an iPad and recently played with the Galaxy Tab. The Tab's size is kinda nice for reading, though it's too small for browsing.
Form factor aside, the iOS still beats Android by a long shot. It's just easier and feels more fluent to get stuff done on iOS rather than Android. (Though I do have by my iPhone and iPad jailbroken so I can do everything that I want.) |
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zhanknight
Joined: 24 Mar 2010
Location: Yangsan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| shinjin wrote: |
| zhanknight wrote: |
| This is Korea. Here, even more so than in the west, everyone owning something doesn't mean it's a good piece of technology, it means that it's popular and/or fashionable. |
Do you honestly believe that if the iPhone was a pos, every other Korean would still own one because it's "fashionable"? This is the typical, cynical eslcafe groupthink bs.
| zhanknight wrote: |
| Defending it and arguing about it with people is kind of frightening - are you that usurped by marketing? |
"usurped by marketing?" What the hell are you going on about? I'm one of the two people in office that don't have an iPhone and I'm running Debian on a Lenovo while my macbook collects dust in my room.
Try directing your comments to eamo. He's the one who thought it was appropriate to defend Windows 7 in a thread about tablets. |
Huh? You took that way too personally. I wasn't trying to attack you. The 'you' in my comment was supposed to be at the general populace. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
As for cynical groupthink esl crap - no, that's not it. In Korea and in the west, people will buy things for the logo and the 'status' rather than the actual utility of a thing. That's really indisputable and applies to all product categories. One only needs to look at the lines that form outside Louis Vuitton stores for proof. Those bags don't hold items any better than other bags, but they sure are good status symbols. And yes - that glowing 2D Apple logo commands a bit of status in just the same way.
Also - I didn't say it was a POS - I just said that it's fashionable status contributes a lot to it's commercial success. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Do you honestly believe that if the iPhone was a pos, every other Korean would still own one because it's "fashionable"? This is the typical, cynical eslcafe groupthink bs. |
I don't have a horse in this race (I have an excellent Dell Latitude and an excellent Macbook Pro, and I like them both), but I had to respond to this point.
So what is my answer? YES. Of course every other Korean would own some POS phone as long as it's fashionable.
Until the iPhone arrived in Korea, almost every phone you could buy was a shiny POS. The mindless consumers here bought them anyway because they were endorsed by one of the various vapid boy or girl bands that advertise everything from phones to fried chicken. I think we have enough evidence already to know that Korean consumers are not swayed by quality, performance or any other reasonable rating metric. The only thing that matters is that the phone had a 3-minute song written to advertise it or if the members of Big Bang hold the phone while wearing ridiculous outfits. |
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