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[calicoe]

OK, yeah, you talked me into it; I'm gonna get the organic variety. You can find it at the supermarkets in department stores: Galleria, Lotte, et al.

I will try the French Onion recipe, but I'll need to substitute the butter with oil. I was dreaming of the old school variety, with bread and a baked cheese topping - yum! I'll have to settle for the new version.

[drydell]

there is no evidence the gladiators were fat.

What there is is evidence that the gladiators were vegans.

Now this clearly shocked the paleo-pathologist who unearthed this because it's still widely believed that you can't be muscular and vegan - so his own bias crept into findings at Ephesus and he came up with the 'theory' that they must have actually been fat vegans... it's the only theory that makes sense isn't it? - we all know vegans are skinny pale skinned emo kids yes?

But look at original depictions of gladiators and it certainly doesn't show fat gladiators ...
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/ancientfilmCC304/lecture32/detail.php?linenum=7
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/ancientfilmCC304/lecture32/detail.php?linenum=28
Fact = gladiators were vegan
Theory = they must have been fat....

In the world of competitive sports more athletes are taking plant-based diets much more seriously....just read about Brendan Brazier and Scott Jurek for triathlon and ultra marathon running.. not to mention mixed fighters etc - even Mike Tyson went vegan recently... people (especially in the US) who know about fitness and nutrition are no longer buying into the old diet myths anymore
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=bios (here's a bunch of skinny pasty vegans to laugh at)

Now this is one that blew my mind and i have to show other people about it- this chap is a fruitarian and he ran the Leadville 100 mile this year - and with a pretty respectable finish...but then........ just 2 days later - yes that's 2 days later he was feeling so bouncy he ran a 26 mile race with 5-600 other runners in Rockville New York and he won!! - the other runners were completely stunned when they all found out he had just run the Leadville 2 days before .... what a LEGEND! - go kickass fruitarians! hehe (it's all about recovery times - loads of fruit recovers body much quicker)
to read the full epic tale go here (i really recommend this)......
http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/the-leadville-100-mile

[metalhead]

Man you vegan types sure go to a lot of effort to try and prove that vegans can be almost the same, physically, as normal people that eat meat. What a pity no one cares really.

[NYC_Gal 2.0]

The butter really does make the soup taste better. I tried making it with oil substitute, and it just didn't taste right. I ended up giving the whole batch to a vegan coworker in my office who loved it.

If you want the true taste, how about mixing some butter with the non-butter alternative? If it's only a little, would that make you ill? If so, use the oil. If you can get away with a tablespoon or two in a big pot of soup, I say mix some in with the oil.

[calicoe]

[NYC_Gal 2.0]

Ah no worries then. Just try to find the most "butter tasting" alternative for the best flavor.

[drydell]

[Poltergeist]

1. Vegans can be raw or cooked; raw foodists can be vegan or nonvegan. Some vegans use caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, sugar, salt, white flour, etc.; others don't. There are too many generalizations in this thread.

2. I agree that some people face greater challenges than others and having food sensitivities must really suck. But some people with these challenges do manage to live vegan lives: http://www.foodallergysurvivalguide.com/authors.html

3. Here's an article about the blood-type diet: http://www.vegsource.com/klaper/diet.htm

4. This thread was split off from another thread in which certain posters perpetuated offensive misconceptions about plant-based diets. No one said all flesh-free diets were healthier than all flesh-inclusive diets or vice versa. No one claimed any diet was a panacea. At issue is whether the absence of flesh on a person's plate is a "risk" factor for any disease or condition, and so far no one has established that it is.

[calicoe]

drydell:

Yes, all the other articles circle back to this one, because they are the batch of chemistry and pathologist scientists that conducted the research and reported the findings.

However, you are being too selective in how you are interpreting and representing the article. Your quote above, "... they could have cultivated layers of fat ..." etc., is referring to their possible REASONS and motivation for fattening up with grains, not questioning WHETHER they did so or not.

It is obvious that a successful gladiator needed the poundage in the arena to sustain blows and sword wounds, and they were able to bulk and fatten up before battles with GRAINS.

There were two different kinds of gladiators, and quite frankly, some of those figures in the drawings do look fat. They are not obese, but they are definitely "stocky" and plump without definition, except in chisled sculpture. They are sort of like the bulky athletes or American football players who eat and eat for sheer size, without the weightlifting. What happens to those guys when they stop lifting weights? Yeah, they get fat.

On the other hand, some vegans might use weights to build bulk.

I don't have anything against vegans, vegs, or the whole lot, but do not try to hold up gladiators as some "elite athlete" because they were not. They were slaves that basically stuffed themselves with grains like cattle, so they could sustain blows and put on a good show.

edit:

Yes, I have been looking at websites for vegan and vegetarian celiacs. You found one website. There are many that stay vegan or vegetarian, but there are also many that start eating meat because of their illness as well.

I hope you guys are not confusing me with the people who denigrates plant-based diets, because I don't. I think raw foodism is one of the healthiest diets you could follow. But, I would need limited amounts of animal protein, because I don't eat grains. THAT is my point. You need to get readily absorbed B12 and iron from somewhere, and the easiest absorbed is from animal proteins, which is significant for a malabsorption problem.

*And I know all about vegans and raw foodists, veg and non-veg, etc. I am not making generalizations, except to say that by simply stating you are a vegan does not make you a raw foodist.

It's funny you mention generalizations, because I feel that's exactly what many vegans and vegetarians do about diets that include animal protein. My point is: it can be just as healthy if not healthier than a grain-consuming vegan diet.

[Poltergeist]

1. I don't find it necessary to avoid grains, but I'm not forcing grains on anyone who doesn't want them.

2. I'm sure my diet could be much healthier, but that's beside the point.

3. The link was posted as an example of two people who faced much greater health challenges than the average person, but still found ways to manage their conditions without throwing away their values. I'm not sure what relevance your counterexamples have to this discussion.

[calicoe]

[Poltergeist]

I'm not responsible for the title of the thread--that was TUM's idea. However, the thread was a continuation of another discussion and it offends me that you've misrepresented the nature of that discussion.

I don't know why the link didn't work, but it seems to be fixed. I hope anyone reading this who may be considering eating animal products as a quick fix to a health problem will do everything they can to exhaust other options.

Edit: 1. I never said I was a raw foodist. (Far from it!!!)

2. You could have just said, "The link didn't work."

[calicoe]

[Poltergeist]

[TheUrbanMyth]