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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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 Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:08 am Post subject: |
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This thread has quickly devolved into a heated discussion of justice and/or morality.
The point is simple: if you have a "criminal" record, you cannot work here.
That means a "current" criminal record. It has nothing to do with whether one has ever broken any laws. And...arguing over the justness of laws is not helpful.
I fully agree that posters here should not help others to circumvent Korea's immigration laws by responding to posts on this very public (and well known to Koreans) discussion board. |
The OP was saying that we shouldn't even mention China When people bring up their fifteen year old DUI arrest. That's not circumventing Korean immigration, that's pointing someone to a place where the market rules and the government doesn't care what you did. Suggesting ways to circumvent Korean immigration is dumb, saying "go to China" is absolutely victimless. |
Except when you or I decide to go to China because Korea cuts budgets/ we get bored/ whatever and we find that all respect for foreign teachers has been squandered by some criminal acting like an idiot because he got a piece of advice on here. |
Or all respect for foreign teachers has been squandered by some idiot acting like an idiot who didn't get any advice on here. |
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sentinel863
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Don't burn my house down please.  |
LOL you dont understand how many times I get that from my friends. But yeah I mean I guess I got a little offended but whatever. Doesn't mean much anyway. Cheers! |
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eb
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry for the bad post. I've got ALOT on my mind right now. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Considering there's this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=125506
The concept and application of ethics is a low priority here.
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| Ever heard of the notion of someone "having done their time" or "having paid their debt to society"? |
Ever heard the notion of "once a scumbag, always a scumbag" or "criminals suck and we don't need their kind of crap here making us look bad if they're found out"? |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote: |
Considering there's this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=125506
The concept and application of ethics is a low priority here.
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| Ever heard of the notion of someone "having done their time" or "having paid their debt to society"? |
Ever heard the notion of "once a scumbag, always a scumbag" or "criminals suck and we don't need their kind of crap here making us look bad if they're found out"? |
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you mean your concept and application of ethics |
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derbot
Joined: 04 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I am cutting into this thread again.Iam sorry to say this; but people need to be free ( from whatever) in thier lives'. The American System is one of the most controlling, opressive and unjust things' I have every dealt with in my 30 years' on this Earth.
You may not think so, but you probably just havn't had the experienced what the rest of have in life. If someone doesn't wanna pay taxes because they havn't worked for the American Goverment or don't own any property here,then so be it. Why should they have too? Same goes for Student Loans'. Yes,they got the Education, so they should pay and in MOST cases, they WILL. But, does that mean they deserve to go to jail because they CAN'T pay at the moment? No..EVERYONE has circumstances that go beyond thier control. So what? At least, there in the mindset to try and do better. It;s like a catch 22, once your in the system ( regardless of the crime),YOUR ALWAYS in the sytem. UNFAIR? ABSOLUTY? RIGHT? Absouluty NOT. But, hey, that's our wonderful government for you.  |
The repeated spelling mistakes, bizarre punctuation, missing words, random capitalization, the rambling paranoia . . . please for God's sake tell me you are not trying to teach English to others. This is worse than most anything I've seen from Crusher of Heads or Itaewon guy. |
Yea, I think this shows exactly where Korean focus should be in terms of who they let in to teach and who they refuse.
eb, if you want to emphasize a specific word you should use italics. That's how writing works. Read a book if you want proof. Also, if you put emphasis on every second word then there is no real emphasis and it becomes pointless.
I can't wait for Google to lose that Caps Lock. |
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derbot
Joined: 04 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I am cutting into this thread again.Iam sorry to say this; but people need to be free ( from whatever) in thier lives'. The American System is one of the most controlling, opressive and unjust things' I have every dealt with in my 30 years' on this Earth.
You may not think so, but you probably just havn't had the experienced what the rest of have in life. If someone doesn't wanna pay taxes because they havn't worked for the American Goverment or don't own any property here,then so be it. Why should they have too? Same goes for Student Loans'. Yes,they got the Education, so they should pay and in MOST cases, they WILL. But, does that mean they deserve to go to jail because they CAN'T pay at the moment? No..EVERYONE has circumstances that go beyond thier control. So what? At least, there in the mindset to try and do better. It;s like a catch 22, once your in the system ( regardless of the crime),YOUR ALWAYS in the sytem. UNFAIR? ABSOLUTY? RIGHT? Absouluty NOT. But, hey, that's our wonderful government for you. |
The repeated spelling mistakes, bizarre punctuation, missing words, random capitalization, the rambling paranoia . . . please for God's sake tell me you are not trying to teach English to others. This is worse than most anything I've seen from Crusher of Heads or Itaewon guy. |
Yea, I think this shows exactly where Korean focus should be in terms of who they let in to teach and who they refuse.
eb, if you want to emphasize a specific word you should use italics. That's how writing works. Read a book if you want proof. Also, if you put emphasis on every second word then there is no real emphasis and it becomes pointless.
I can't wait for Google to lose that Caps Lock. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| eb wrote: |
OK, I am cutting into this thread again.Iam sorry to say this; but people need to be free ( from whatever) in thier lives'. The American System is one of the most controlling, opressive and unjust things' I have every dealt with in my 30 years' on this Earth.
You may not think so, but you probably just havn't had the experienced what the rest of have in life. If someone doesn't wanna pay taxes because they havn't worked for the American Goverment or don't own any property here,then so be it. Why should they have too? Same goes for Student Loans'. Yes,they got the Education, so they should pay and in MOST cases, they WILL. But, does that mean they deserve to go to jail because they CAN'T pay at the moment? No..EVERYONE has circumstances that go beyond thier control. So what? At least, there in the mindset to try and do better. It;s like a catch 22, once your in the system ( regardless of the crime),YOUR ALWAYS in the sytem. UNFAIR? ABSOLUTY? RIGHT? Absouluty NOT. But, hey, that's our wonderful government for you. |
EB, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
- Principal from "Billy Madison" |
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vermouth
Joined: 21 Dec 2009
Location: Guro, Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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They are keeping you out because they only want people who have not committed a crime.
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No. They want people without a criminal record. It's two different things.
Plenty of people commit crimes. Not all of them have a criminal record. Some people have a criminal record (which can include arrests) who haven't committed a crime. |
Well yeah, governments work with imperfect tools, because governments make decisions for the bell curve. I don't understand the hostility to someone who's simply saying it's bad to help people undermine the system.
Sure, some worthy edge cases get hurt but that's S.O.P. in almost all government mandates |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| vermouth wrote: |
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They are keeping you out because they only want people who have not committed a crime.
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No. They want people without a criminal record. It's two different things.
Plenty of people commit crimes. Not all of them have a criminal record. Some people have a criminal record (which can include arrests) who haven't committed a crime. |
Well yeah, governments work with imperfect tools, because governments make decisions for the bell curve. I don't understand the hostility to someone who's simply saying it's bad to help people undermine the system.
Sure, some worthy edge cases get hurt but that's S.O.P. in almost all government mandates |
No one is undermining the system by saying, "Hey, you've got a DUI? Go to China." The hostility stems from the OP's view that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should be relegated to working on a farm or in a factory for the rest of their natural born days. |
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eb
Joined: 24 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Really? OK. That's your problem in life ( not mine). EB |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| No one is undermining the system by saying, "Hey, you've got a DUI? Go to China." The hostility stems from the OP's view that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should be relegated to working on a farm or in a factory for the rest of their natural born days. |
I have to agree with this. If China does not have a regulation that stops those with criminal records from working there then, no one is undermining the system. They would be if they told people with criminal records to apply to Korea via ways that circumvent the rules.
I am a big believer in showing mercy, fairness and justice so if the ex-con has paid his time, then no one mentions his record again. They should be allowed to vote, get good jobs and have the chance to show everyone that they have changed.
BUT one does not violate the laws of other lands to achieve this goal. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| No one is undermining the system by saying, "Hey, you've got a DUI? Go to China." The hostility stems from the OP's view that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should be relegated to working on a farm or in a factory for the rest of their natural born days. |
I have to agree with this. If China does not have a regulation that stops those with criminal records from working there then, no one is undermining the system. They would be if they told people with criminal records to apply to Korea via ways that circumvent the rules.
I am a big believer in showing mercy, fairness and justice so if the ex-con has paid his time, then no one mentions his record again. They should be allowed to vote, get good jobs and have the chance to show everyone that they have changed.
BUT one does not violate the laws of other lands to achieve this goal. |
Well technically it is not violating the law it is exploiting a loop hole. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:20 am Post subject: |
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| No one is undermining the system by saying, "Hey, you've got a DUI? Go to China." The hostility stems from the OP's view that anyone who has been convicted of a crime should be relegated to working on a farm or in a factory for the rest of their natural born days. |
I have to agree with this. If China does not have a regulation that stops those with criminal records from working there then, no one is undermining the system. They would be if they told people with criminal records to apply to Korea via ways that circumvent the rules.
I am a big believer in showing mercy, fairness and justice so if the ex-con has paid his time, then no one mentions his record again. They should be allowed to vote, get good jobs and have the chance to show everyone that they have changed.
BUT one does not violate the laws of other lands to achieve this goal. |
Well technically it is not violating the law it is exploiting a loop hole. |
That's not a loophole, that's an open market. If China wants to keep criminals out, they can impose the same regulations Korea does. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| I think he was referring to dodging the CBC by getting one done out of state. |
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