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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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There's jobs wanting a apositled copy of your degree to apply. That's crazy.
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't an apostilled copy of your diploma now the standard under the new visa requirements? It is my impression that the original won't even be accepted anymore. |
Its been a requirement for 3 months already.
Problem is, will a teacher have to keep getting their degree apostilled every year? Does the fabled "database" actually exist? |
This database stymies and annoys me. For example I went to immigration to change my address, while there I asked about my degree for the future because of the recent changes. I was a bit lucky that I had it verified (Canada has no apostille) and had submitted it about 2 years ago way before the new changes came along. But the lady at the desk at immi looked on the computer and found the scan and said everything was OK. Come about a week ago and renewing with my current school. This time they asked for the my verified degree and I said you have it on you computer I looked at a picture of it a couple months ago! They tried for a minute to find the picture then gave up and gave an excuse of that the computer system had changed. Was lucky they still renewed me but gave the caveat that I had the have a verified degree next time. Argh!
I really hope immigration get their acts together. But I have the feeling it will still be a joke. All it takes is having an idiot or lazy immigration official who say they can not find you old documents thus you have to submit everything again. |
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hubbahubba
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| easy solution. Don't apply, save yourself all the stress. Employers can request "anything" they want, you however, can also make a choice to do what you want. Good luck! |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Actually, your irrelevant post simply serves to remind me that there are a significant number of English teachers in Korea who actually have worked at far more responsible, far better paid, far more secure positions elsewhere in the world.
My experience in jobs that gave real job security (no one year contracts) and actually were centred in skills and achievements as opposed to the lack of knowledge about what skills and achievements constitute often manifested by Korean employers of native English teachers, was that these employers understood that determining the best candidates didn't have anything to do with demanding more and more paperwork when the cv stood by itself and could be verified by real life referees, etc.
I worked for a couple of big name Japanese companies and their hiring process was based on commonsense and treating applicants well on the basis of their verifiable cvs. They didn't need to make applicants run around and then do it again. Back home I went through reasonable processes to apply for jobs, processes that matched the job levels and didn't demand more than should have been.
Again - it's obvious to see the increasing arrogance of an increasing number of Korean employers. All for a one year contract and visa that must be renewed from year to year for E-2ers. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: |
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I could not have said it better myself, earthquakez.
I have directed programs, worked for award-winning organizations, applied for admission at top universities, competitive scholarships, etc.
A CV, verifiable references and sealed transcripts were good enough for them. Why on earth, would some unknown, backwater school or employer in Korea, require more paperwork than Harvard?
It is beyond ridiculousness, and I am actually not going to apply again in the future if they don't repeal this idiotic policy. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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The verification of the diploma is moronic. If someone is going to the lengths of forging a diploma, how hard could it be to forge a seal? Or to get the seal done on a fake document. The people at the State office have no idea what the difference between a real and fake diploma is. What SHOULD be done, is have someone in immigration call the school's registrar to verify that John Smith actually graduated from State University. Is that possible?
I don't see the big deal in asking for transcripts. Some employers might want to see what kind of coursework you completed and to check your GPA. If you were skating by on a 2.0GPA that says a lot about your work ethic. All things being equal are you taking the guy with a 2.0 or a 3.5? And in this market, people coming in out of college with only a bachelors in a non-education field are all pretty much equal AND there's a ton of them. What else can you use to decide who to hire? Please don't say the photo they had to submit.....
Also, any job you get involving working with children back in your home countries will pretty much guarantee you need a background check done. Since we are dealing with an international scale, it only makes sense that they want a Federal CBC instead of a State one. That way they get one form every time and it is all inclusive. It's too easy to get around a State check.
Having to repeat the process over and over is also ridiculous. I have friends who haven't been home in 3 years and they are still submitting US background checks. Shouldn't a Korean background check be done on them now instead?!?!?! |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
I worked for a couple of big name Japanese companies and their hiring process was based on commonsense and treating applicants well on the basis of their verifiable cvs. They didn't need to make applicants run around and then do it again. Back home I went through reasonable processes to apply for jobs, processes that matched the job levels and didn't demand more than should have been.
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Umm I hate to break it to you this is not business you are dealing with, this is the GOVERNMENT that is asking for the papers. Have you not heard the word bureaucracy. Governments all over the world are renowned for being inefficient and difficult. Here is Korea they have their own special variety. One thing I always say when dealing with Korea is do not expect logic.
As to business. The culture here at times can really do a number on business. Connection based hiring, bali bali attitude, "Korean Connection" aka inability to plan all make business difficult. But back in rest of the world you have the same and other difficulties. Have you not read Dilbert of watched the "Office'.
Believe me if I say if most Business could get rid of the papers needed they would. Actually many do they hire illegals. |
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