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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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Once again--the the fact that apparatchik administrators like Kaganovich had Jewish backgrounds does not mean it was a blood war.
It is much easier to believe they were Stalinists who believed in their ideology more than in compassion. Unless you want to believe something else. But where is the evidence?
Even if one were to grant ethnic hatred as a motivation for some of them, which I see no evidence for, it does not implicate Jews overseas, who would have had little to no knowledge of the causes for, much less the apparatchiks involved in, the terror-famine. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| HijackedTw1light wrote: |
I know, I know, Mises. There's a Jewish woman who wants Europe to become more diverse. We saw the video already, you don't need to post it for the third time or whatever it would be. Yes, we know it proves Jews are in on a vast conspiracy to undermine Europe, and I'm sure we're all horrified. |
You mean this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
The essay below is much more coherent. It's a long polemic from Stephen Steinlight (who is he? Some random dude: He was for more than five years Director of National Affairs (domestic policy) at the American Jewish Committee.)
http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.html
After a long discussion of Jewish power he gets into immigration, which he honestly states:
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| For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to divide and conquer and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas. |
Regarding immigration, Jews should be worried because:
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| We cannot consider the inevitable consequences of current trends not least among them diminished Jewish political power with detachment. Our present privilege, success, and power do not inure us from the effect of historical processes, and history has not come to an end, even in America. We have an enormous stake in the outcome of this process, and we should start acting as if we understood that we do. |
He reckons this is at risk because:
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| Does it matter that the majority non-European immigrants have no historical experience of the Holocaust or knowledge of the persecution of Jews over the ages and see Jews only as the most privileged and powerful of white Americans? Is it important that Latinos, who know us almost entirely as employers for the menial low-wage cash services they perform for us (such a blowing the leaves from our lawns in Beverly Hills or doing our laundry in Short Hills), will soon form one quarter of the nation's population? Does it matter that most Latino immigrants have encountered Jews in their formative years principally or only as Christ killers in the context of a religious education in which the changed teachings of Vatican II penetrated barely or not at all? |
He is totally right.
Why has white America allowed this to happen:
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| That America has largely tolerated this dual loyalty we get a free pass, I suspect, largely over Christian guilt about the Holocaust makes it no less a reality. |
Which is insane. The United States is not Germany. Propaganda is effective, until it isn't.
Anyways, what's the talk about dual loyalty? Isn't that against the rules:
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| I'll confess it, at least: like thousands of other typical Jewish kids of my generation, I was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasi-separatist. Every summer for two months for 10 formative years during my childhood and adolescence I attended Jewish summer camp. There, each morning, I saluted a foreign flag, dressed in a uniform reflecting its colors, sang a foreign national anthem, learned a foreign language, learned foreign folk songs and dances, and was taught that Israel was the true homeland. Emigration to Israel was considered the highest virtue, and, like many other Jewish teens of my generation, I spent two summers working in Israel on a collective farm while I contemplated that possibility. More tacitly and subconsciously, I was taught the superiority of my people to the gentiles who had oppressed us. We were taught to view non-Jews as untrustworthy outsiders, people from whom sudden gusts of hatred might be anticipated, people less sensitive, intelligent, and moral than ourselves. |
What a charming sub-culture.
What can Americans do:
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| Unless and until the triumph of campaign finance reform is complete, an extremely unlikely scenario, the great material wealth of the Jewish community will continue to give it significant advantages. We will continue to court and be courted by key figures in Congress. That power is exerted within the political system from the local to national levels through soft money, and especially the provision of out-of-state funds to candidates sympathetic to Israel |
So, there you have it. They will continue to divide and conquer until the Hispanics have sufficient power to push back. Whites will be busy watching Shindlers list and Entourage I guess. However, if whites (and blacks/Hispanics) want to deal with this now they can move towards publicly financed elections. To be totally sure, best make the attempt to bribe punishable by immediate death.
Of course, there is a wonderful irony in all this. Just as that woman in the video above is talking about "Europe not surviving" it is Jews that are fleeing the Vibrant Diversity (that they are forcing Sweden to import):
http://www.thelocal.se/24632/20100127/
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| Jews flee Malm� as anti-Semitism grows |
Similar, when a Farrakhan-Aztlano axis decides it doesn't much want to be divided and conquered, Jewish people will have only themselves to blame:
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf |
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HijackedTw1light
Joined: 24 May 2010
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Meh. We could discuss this, but I don't see what would be the point.
We can always cherry-pick speakers and quotes, add commentaries, then use it to represent the whole group and its motivations.
If I were to take the rantings of Farrakhan and Black Power's descendants as representing the black race, people would instantly see through it.
Yet when the same thing is done regarding the Jews, it gains traction. It has more juice.
This is a sport enjoyed by many. You're not alone. Guys think 1) one speaks for all, hence 2) they all want the same thing, 3) they all know what is going on and what the plan is, and 4) that plan is malicious. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
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| Eastern Europeans learned, after 30million+ dead, the outcome of unrestrained Jewish supremacism. The Arabs will be protected from this by the Turks, I hope. Somebody has to protect them. If Israel does to the Arabs what the Jewish Bolsheviks did to Russians a third world war will be unavoidable. |
Thanks Captain Antisemite, says the anti-Zionist guy. |
There's a reason you don't know about it.
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit
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Jewish group objects to �Great Famine� case
June 15, 2009
KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.
The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.
Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.
�All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.
Last July, the Ukrainian Security Service released a list of high-ranking Soviet state and Communist Party officials -- as well as officials from NKVD, the police force of Soviet Russia -- that essentially blamed Jews and Latvians responsible for perpetrating and executing the famine because most of the names on the list were Jewish.
The Ukrainian Jewish Committee called on the secret service to revise the list, which incited interethnic hatred, in order to clear up the �inaccuracy.� |
Isn't that shocking? After the 50 years of German, Swiss et al shakedowns a Jewish group has the balls to say "all the organizers are dead"!!. Ha. Next time you hear about some Jewish group shuckin and jivin with stories of soap and lamp shades, say "all the organizers are dead and we need not to discuss what Germany did cause it might create interethnic hatred".
So why don't you know and why do you think it is antisemitism to point out that some of the greatest mass murderers of the past 100 years were ethno-centric Jews killing Christians out of hate? Well, if Western people knew that the Bolsheviks were almost entirely Jews and completely destroyed Russia in an act of ethnic war then 1) the Jews wouldn't have such a special place in our hearts (wallets) and 2) the Holocaust would look like an event in an ethnic war of slaughters rather than the one-sided slaughter we're told. The Gulag preceded Auschwitz.
But the above is all antisemitic! Jews are so special they get to kill tens of millions of Christians and to mention it is antisemitism! Best. PR. Ever. |
I somewhat agree. But while I don't have any special interest in the role of Jews in government mass murder, I certainly feel that all government mass murder deserves special attention. The Holocaust, in the mind of the average person, was the ultimate crime against humanity. But why, when it wasn't even close? There are two assumptions that proponents take for granted: (1) it's more significant when people are exterminated because of racism (but does it really matter?), (2) it's more significant when Western governments engage in mass murder than foreign governments (again, completely subjective).
If we simply count the number of lives lost, Russian and Chinese communism emerge as the ultimate crime against humanity, out-killing Hitler many times over. The single most grotesque crime against humanity was Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, which killed a similar number of people as were killed in four centuries of the African Slave Trade. Most insultingly of all, there are genocides that are almost completely unknown: the genocide and ethnic cleansing of German civilians in Eastern Europe after WW2, and Pakistan's extermination of the Bengalis in the 1970's.
This is why Israel recieves what many think is unfair and excessive scrutiny. Israel is singled out for special attention because the Nazi genocide of the Jews is. You can't have it both ways; if you want the Holocaust taught in schools to 13 year olds (and all other government mass murder overlooked completely), then Israel will, likewise, be studied intensely. But to most people, World War II and the Arab-Israeli Conflict were the only events of the twentieth century and much of the responsibility for this, I think, is the International Left's and its dumbing down of education, its support for Marxism (either outright, or lying about and covering up its crimes) and, of course, its obsession with race. |
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goniff
Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:56 am Post subject: |
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methinks the turks will kowtow and hold the USA line...
can't see them getting into the EU in the immediate future...
wonder how the ANZAC (Australian/New Zealand) part of the coalition feels about Turkey and Gallipoli now? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Same as usual I would suppose.
Its a graveyard for WW1 Soldiers and its based in Turkey. We go there to show our respect for thier sacrifice for our nations.
We are pleased that we are no longer enemies with the Turks and also saddened that such a waste of life was in the historical eye a pointless exercise.
Turkeys feelings towards Israel are just a political drama intertwined with religious overtones and propoganda.
It subsequently has nothing to do with us, unless Turkey decides to refight WW1, I guess most of us don't give a fig for the whole issue.
I might care what Turkey feels about the issue for a few olives, some pita bread and some white breast meat wrapped up. |
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