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Proper Info on E2 Renewal! A must see...discuss...verify!
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Bowden_PSM



Joined: 22 Jun 2004
Location: United Arab Emirates

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:30 am    Post subject: Proper Info on E2 Renewal! A must see...discuss...verify! Reply with quote

Hello,

I called the 02-1345 Immigration office this afternoon after a freind of mine went in person into the Daejeon office also this afternoon. Thus, my information comes from 2 sources.

Both Daejeon ans Seoul said the new rules are in effect as of 1 Jan 2011 regarding the CBC and Diploma check (which is already in effect).

Whether changing a contract or renewing a contract, the new rules apply. For US citizens, an FBI check. For Canadian citizens, an RCMP check ONLY. Although our (Canada) checks are national, Immi will only accept the RCMP checks. For UK, a national check, but I am unclear as to the parameters. My friend didn't say.

I mentioned that it would be impossible for me to get a new CBC check from the RCMP in time (my visa expires 28 Feb 2011). He said that immigration is aware of this. I mentioned I still have a notorized, national check from 2009, certified by the Korean consulate in Toronto as being national, with a VSS and ok, and that I hadn't been back to Canada since. He politely said that he understood that there was no logic in not accepting that check, but that was the case all the same. I would need a new one. This is the case for a RENEWAL, which is what I am doing. Changing a visa may be the same as long as your already in country.

He did go on to say that they are aware that there has been a lot of information and disinformation going around and that the rules had been relaxed and then re-instated. He said they know that the FBI and RCMP checks take several decades to clear and come back. So, he said immigartion would take that into account when I renewed, would renew my visa, and give me a date in the future (a couple of months) to return to immigration and prove I had obtained an RCMP check.

Degrees can no longer be verified in Korea. They must be sent home. He told me to send mine to the Korean embassy in Canada, and have them notarize it and send it back to me. This could also take a lot of time, but can be accomplished in the time before Feb. I have to call the consulate in Canada tonight and figure that load of BS out. I've been here since 2003 and thus my patience is wearing thin. I am only here for a 6 month renewal, until July 2011, when I will return home to take an MA, so all of this seems just barely worth it.

To recap, in case I have bored people to death.

1) New rules are and will be in place on 1 Jan 2011.
2) CBC national check required by FBI (US) and RCMP (Canada) only.
3) If the CBC check is late, they will RENEW your contract and give you a date to come back in and show your obtained CBC. I have no idea about changes to the visa. My case is a renewal.
4) Though this comes from 2 sources, it could change by tomorrow, and depends on what immi officer you get when you renew. He even went out of his way to tell me that, which I found proufoundly helpful.

Son-of-a-b%*#$ this is an annoying process. I miss the blue paper days.
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grandpa



Joined: 19 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long does it take to do an FBI/RCMP check?

How are you supposed to do it from Korea?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grandpa wrote:
How long does it take to do an FBI/RCMP check?

How are you supposed to do it from Korea?


RCMP is easy (just slow).

Get your fingerprints done at the "GU" police station (not the local police box) and mail it off along with your money order.

Takes 4-5 months.

Full specifics are on their (RCMP) website and linked from the Canadian embassy website as well.

If you are IN Canada just pop into your local RCMP station or if you are in a metro area that has their own police force then the RCMP division office for your province. Takes 3-7 days.

FBI is similar - get printed on the appropriate form, mail it in with the fee and wait. Details on their website.

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global_gal



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ttompatz"][quote="grandpa"]How long does it take to do an FBI/RCMP check?

How are you supposed to do it from Korea?[/quote]

RCMP is easy (just slow).

Get your fingerprints done at the "GU" police station (not the local police box) and mail it off along with your money order.

Takes 4-5 months.

Full specifics are on their (RCMP) website and linked from the Canadian embassy website as well.

[b]If you are IN Canada just pop into your local RCMP station or if you are in a metro area that has their own police force then the RCMP division office for your province. Takes 3-7 days. [/b]FBI is similar - get printed on the appropriate form, mail it in with the fee and wait. Details on their website.

.[/quote]

Ttompatz, is this an electronic fingerprint entry? I can't seem to find anything on the RCMP website indicating that a CRC can be completed in that short of time. I am going to Canada over the holidays, and would LOVE to get this BS sorted and done with.
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austinmc86



Joined: 23 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is getting out of hand. Each day someone has something to say that conflicts with what someone else has said.
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Bowden_PSM



Joined: 22 Jun 2004
Location: United Arab Emirates

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

austinmc86 wrote:
This is getting out of hand. Each day someone has something to say that conflicts with what someone else has said.


This is exactly why my friend went to Immigration in Daejeon today and then I followed up by calling Seoul. Both offices said the same thing independent of each other. I don't post often on here, but have been going nutty after hearing/reading news that the 2012 thing was on and then hearing it was off again. Absolutely nuts.

I can state, and I have a reasonable amount of experience with Korea, that as of today, this information is correct. With so little time before 1 Jan 2011, I can only guess that it will stay this way, which is not good news at all.
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Rutherford



Joined: 31 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just renewed with EPIK in Busan and just had to sign a waver saying I recognize the new requirments and will have to abide by them next year. This waiver applied to teachers renewing at the same MOE between Sept. 2010 and August 31, 2011.
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phatrick



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also just renewed and signed a waiver with Epik in Busan.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

global_gal wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
grandpa wrote:
How long does it take to do an FBI/RCMP check?

How are you supposed to do it from Korea?


RCMP is easy (just slow).

Get your fingerprints done at the "GU" police station (not the local police box) and mail it off along with your money order.

Takes 4-5 months.

Full specifics are on their (RCMP) website and linked from the Canadian embassy website as well.

If you are IN Canada just pop into your local RCMP station or if you are in a metro area that has their own police force then the RCMP division office for your province. Takes 3-7 days. FBI is similar - get printed on the appropriate form, mail it in with the fee and wait. Details on their website.

.


Ttompatz, is this an electronic fingerprint entry? I can't seem to find anything on the RCMP website indicating that a CRC can be completed in that short of time. I am going to Canada over the holidays, and would LOVE to get this BS sorted and done with.


Electronic or hard prints at the local RCMP station or divisional office (if you are in a provincial capital).

Add MORE time if you are getting it done over the XMAS/New Year holiday. 3-7 working days is what I should have said.

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koolmoe



Joined: 23 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the very useful information.

I called the Canadian Consulate yesterday and was told CRC would NOT be verified/apostilled in Korea. I was told that my CRC would have to be stamped at an Korean Embassy in Canada, which seems ridiculous. I was told a family member or lawyer could get the stamp in my absence.

I'm going to call the immigration office today and try to verify this information.

Regarding the diploma: I have a stamped and notarized copy from last year. Is that still valid?
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koolmoe



Joined: 23 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just got off the phone with the korean immigration office. Very frustrating.

CRC must be verified/stamped in Korean Embassy in Canada.

When asked how one would do this in absentia reply was:

"We don't know"

How does one find out, I inquired:

"Call the Korean Embassy in Canada"

I suggested that since this is a Korean Immigration procedure perhaps it would be useful to know how to proceed with said policy. To which the lady replied, and I shit you not:

"We just make the procedures here, we don't actually know how you do them."

I'll update after I talk to the Embassy in Canada.


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sallymonster



Joined: 06 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I'm wondering is, how old can an apostilled copy of a degree be? I currently have a copy of my degree that was notarized/apostilled in April '10, and I'm wondering if I can use it when I get my next job six months from now. I'm really worried about this, because I don't have anyone in Oregon (that's where my degree is from, and where it would be notarized) who can take care of this for me.

Is it possible for me to send my degree to a Korean consulate/embassy in the US to get it notarized? Would that work, even though we have the apostille system in the US?
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tombanjo



Joined: 23 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolmoe wrote:
Just got off the phone with the korean immigration office. Very frustrating.

CRC must be verified/stamped in Korean Embassy in Canada.

When asked how one would do this in abstentia reply was:

"We don't know"

How does one find out, I inquired:

"Call the Korean Embassy in Canada"

I suggested that since this is a Korean Immigration procedure perhaps it would be useful to know how to proceed with said policy. To which the lady replied, and I shit you not:

"We just make the procedures here, we don't actually know how you do them."

I'll update after I talk to the Embassy in Canada.


You couldn't make this stuff up!
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expat2001



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolmoe wrote:
Just got off the phone with the korean immigration office. Very frustrating.

CRC must be verified/stamped in Korean Embassy in Canada.

When asked how one would do this in absentia reply was:

"We don't know"

How does one find out, I inquired:

"Call the Korean Embassy in Canada"

I suggested that since this is a Korean Immigration procedure perhaps it would be useful to know how to proceed with said policy. To which the lady replied, and I shit you not:

"We just make the procedures here, we don't actually know how you do them."

I'll update after I talk to the Embassy in Canada.



One day they will rule the world!
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Bowden_PSM



Joined: 22 Jun 2004
Location: United Arab Emirates

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koolmoe wrote:
I suggested that since this is a Korean Immigration procedure perhaps it would be useful to know how to proceed with said policy. To which the lady replied, and I shit you not:

"We just make the procedures here, we don't actually know how you do them."

I'll update after I talk to the Embassy in Canada.


I love the above comment...makes a lot of sense.

The website for the consulate in Toronto seems reasonably straight forward, except the photocopies of the ID thing, which I still need a more clear response on.

In related news, after requesting a check through my files in Canada (I photocopy everything) my mother was able to find a copy of my degree with the notarization on it and all the relevant stamps on it from the Korean consulate in Toronto proving it is real. The only problem is that the document is from 2003. It is clearly not a forgery though, so I am going to take it into Immigration on Monday and see if it will suffice. As someone posted that they have a similar document on this thread and another thread, I thought it prudent to mention this.

I'll update when I have more information on Monday.
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