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Juregen
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| recessiontime wrote: |
| Students getting raped by tuition increases and they are pro-socialism. Don't they realize that high tuition is a natural consequence of socialized student loan lending? |
You haven't the foggiest, my dear. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: To goniff.... |
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"Effete corps of impudent snobs"(p.6)
Ha! My main man, Spiro T. Agnew...
He might have made some lapses in judgement(haven't we all?)but he was a patriotic American who won the Bronze Star and was an immigrant success story. |
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goniff
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:51 am Post subject: Re: To goniff.... |
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[quote="Mosley"]"Effete corps of impudent snobs"(p.6)
Ha! My main man, Spiro T. Agnew...
He might have made some lapses in judgement(haven't we all?)but he was a patriotic American who won the Bronze Star and was an immigrant success story.[/quote]
ｌｅｔ＇ｓ ｓｅｅ ｂｒｉｂｅｒｙ， ｄｉｓｂａｒｒｅｄ， ｒｅｓｉｇｎｅｄ ．．． ｓｏｍｅｈｏｗ ａｖｏｉｄｅｄ ｊａｉｌ．．．ｊｕｓｔ ｙｏｕｒ ｅｖｅｒｙｄａｙ Ａｍｅｒｉｃａｎ ｓｕｃｃｅｓｓ ｓｔｏｒｙ Ｉ ｇｕｅｓｓ．．． |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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goniff: Hey, college boy...
There was (and is) controversy about the allegations against Agnew.
He served honourably in the military. Have you? I'll wager not.
I'd take Nixon over the guy in the WH now.... |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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I'd take Nixon over the guy in the WH now.... |
Talk about a Hobson's choice! |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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Location: UK
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
| I'd take Nixon over the guy in the WH now.... |
They're both as bad as each other. The only good politician is a dead one. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Did you read the bit in the article that says we musn't impose debt on our children?
If you think that's a good justification for trebling tuition fees, you're missing...something.
Ratings? International Credit Ratings? Very important, according to the bankers and economists who got us into this mess...
Odd, how banks can be bailed out to the tune of 850 billion pounds, but cutting spending is going to save us...
No to the fees hike!
Yes to the protesters!
Do you see the _____ Sergio? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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^ It's bollocks, all that. You should watch the Martin Durkin documentary, 'Britain's Trillion Pound Horror Story'. Yes, Durkin is the man behind 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' which, although a very entertaining piece of propaganda, was factually inaccurate and did harm to AGW skepticism. Nevertheless, don't let that put you off, as Durkin's latest seems perfectly sensible.
It's all very well blaming banks for these dire times, but the government has a very major role in the economy and it does much to bring on financial crises - namely, artificial booms amongst other things
Regarding students specifically, there are too many students competing for too few places. The corollary is a significant rise in costs. As far I'm concerned, it really is that straightforward, I'm afraid. Whether those costs are met individually or collectively is, of course, where opinions divide; and my opinion is that education should be almost entirely privatized. I couldn't agree more that there are many benefits to studying art, sociology and philosophy; the question is how it should be paid for, and I'm in favor of upfront payment where ever feasible, because the achievements in the private sector in delivering affordable quality is, for me, the ultimate human success story. Indeed, my recipe for the perfect society is rampant capitalism.  Ironically, in Thatcherite Britain, university education was free and a lot less popular. So there's no correlation at all between fees in general and demand for degrees - the relationship, if any, is that fees increase demand. But really I think this is a red herring; what's happened is a dramatic change in culture, to one where it doesn't matter what your background is - you can go and get a degree. That's very positive, but the result is out of control demand. |
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recessiontime
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Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/o...es&emc=a211
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| the unemployment rate for college grads under age 25 has averaged 9.2 percent, up from 8.8 percent a year earlier and 5.8 percent in the first year of the recession that began in December 2007. That means recent grads have about the same level of unemployment as the general population. It also suggests that many employed recent grads may be doing work that doesn�t require a college degree. |
can you guys comprehend how messed up that is? |
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goniff
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[quote="Mosley"]goniff: Hey, college boy...
There was (and is) controversy about the allegations against Agnew.
He served honourably in the military. Have you? I'll wager not.
I'd take Nixon over the guy in the WH now....[/quote]
the only "controversy" revolves around how he avoided imprisonment...
palms were greased, evidence suppressed...he later paid a vast sum as compensation to the state of Maryland....you get the drift...
don't see how an "honorable" military discharge somehow mitigates this (or any) behavior...
if they were only 'allegations' he would have never resigned...
probably the most unsavory figure in 20th century American politics
(and that encompasses a lot!) |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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Too many Mickey Mouse degrees. Too many third rate universities. Too many students spending 3 or 4 years boozing and learning very little. Too many people with degrees who shouldn't have gone to uni in the first place.
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Sergio: Good point about the degrees-not such a good point about Nixon.
Not to get too off-topic but....
OK, goniff, we get it...you're not an Agnew fan....
But to say he's "probably the most unsavoury figure in 20th C. American politics" is enough to leave one gobsmacked. Good Lord, ever hear of Bill Clinton?
Need I even mention George Lincoln Rockwell, David Duke, Al Sharpton, etc., etc., etc., etc.,.... ?! |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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This is funny.
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Why we really do need to reform the universities
No, really, we do, as this campaign shows:
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| The UK Campaign for the Public University is open to all. It is a broad-based campaign with no party or other political affiliation. It has been initiated by a group of university teachers and graduate students seeking to defend and promote the idea of the university as a public good. |
How very nice of them, but they really don't seem to know what a public good is. What they are arguing for is the public funding of the universities rather than funding through student fees. But a public good is not something which is paid for through taxation. Nor is it something provided to the public nor even is it something which would be good for the public to have supplied to it. A public good is something which is non-rivalrous and non-excludable. That is, it being had or consumed by one person does not deprive another of it and that we cannot stop someone enjoying the good itself. University degrees clearly meet neither of these restrictions and so are not public goods.
So the campaign clearly fails just as it starts: they've got terminally confused between public funding and public goods. Which leads us to the proof that academia must indeed be reformed. Several hundred of our finest academic minds have just signed up to a campaign which shows that they don't know what they're talking about.
http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/education/why-we-really-do-need-to-reform-the-universities/ |
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