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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
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 Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: Bumper-Sticker Ideology |
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"War is bad"
No kidding.
"War is not the answer!"
Shouldn't we figure out the specifics of the question before we decide what the answer is?
In the world as it is, a blanket pacificism is an utterly morally bankrupt position. (I'm talking to you, Fox.)
And yes, I'm saying that any avenue taken to silence Wikileaks, up to and including your life and the lives of that Anonymous group terrorising the world's financial markets - that's fine by me. If new laws need to be written to deal with that threat, I'm okay with that, too.
As far as I'm concerned, blanket pacifists are dangerously idiotic people, a greater threat to world peace than Hitlerr, Hirohito, Bush or Obama.
Kumbaya, Baby. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Bumper-Sticker Ideology |
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| daskalos wrote: |
"War is bad"
No kidding.
"War is not the answer!"
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And yes, I'm saying that any avenue taken to silence Wikileaks, up to and including your life and the lives of that Anonymous group terrorising the world's financial markets - that's fine by me.
As far as I'm concerned, blanket pacifists are dangerously idiotic people, a greater threat to world peace than Hitlerr, Hirohito, Bush or Obama. |
Oh, so now it's Assange's fault that the world's financial markets are in turmoil?
So anyway then,
War is Peace 
OP, could you possible do any more violence to the language? |
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beck's
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| One of my favourite bumber stickers is 'Free Tibet.' I usually see it on the bumbers of Saabs and Subarus on drives through Vermont. I would bet the bank that if the US military ever sent a battalion into Tibet to 'free' it the liberals would be scraping these stickers off within 24 hours of the invasion. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as I'm concerned, blanket pacifists are dangerously idiotic people |
I wouldn't describe it as idiotic, but blinding. While an ideology helps make sense of the world, any ideology puts blinders on a person's view of the world and limits understanding. One-size-fits-all just does not fit all. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: Bumper-Sticker Ideology |
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| daskalos wrote: |
In the world as it is, a blanket pacificism is an utterly morally bankrupt position. |
There are no wars worth fighting right now. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Bumper-Sticker Ideology |
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| daskalos wrote: |
In the world as it is, a blanket pacificism is an utterly morally bankrupt position. (I'm talking to you, Fox.) |
I've stated on this forum a number of times that the military is currently a necessary evil, and have even expressed some measure of support for military action taken to resolve the situation in North Korea if China were willing to involve itself and the United States were to play a purely supplementary role. If you're going to go around making new threads directed specifically at me, then at least inform yourself regarding my position, because that position is not one of blanket idealistic pacifism.
Yes I think warfare is evil. Yes, I oppose both of the current wars the United States has needlessly instigated. Yes, I'd like a pacifistic world. No, that doesn't mean I'm unrealistic enough to think that we can have one right now. We can certainly get a bit closer, though, if we stop starting totally needless wars.
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| And yes, I'm saying that any avenue taken to silence Wikileaks, up to and including your life and the lives of that Anonymous group terrorising the world's financial markets - that's fine by me. If new laws need to be written to deal with that threat, I'm okay with that, too. |
Okay, so you support needless warfare and you support governments needlessly and illegally assassinating their own citizens. Thanks for the information. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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@fox What do you mean if China got involved? On which side?
@mises In your opinion what would have the ideal response to 9/11 have been?
@daskalos. I agree that we live in a gangster world, but ideally the US gov would take good care of its own, while preserving a nasty gangster like attitude to keep the evil neighbours at bay. Thats not really whats happening is it? Seems like WW1, Vietnam, Iraq1 and 2 and a slew of other conflicts have not been about beating down bullies that messed with us, but for nebulous reasons which dont really hold up. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| stilicho25 wrote: |
| @fox What do you mean if China got involved? On which side? |
On "our" side, opposing North Korea (or more accurately, opposing the North Korean government for the sake of its citizens). |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| I think if they were thus inclined NK would be alot more malleable than it is currently. I think they are just as likely to aid in stomping SK and driving us out of the region, if they are able. Would you support US intervention if China and NK attacked SK? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I think if they were thus inclined NK would be alot more malleable than it is currently. I think they are just as likely to aid in stomping SK and driving us out of the region, if they are able. Would you support US intervention if China and NK attacked SK? |
Yes, if they were genuinely the aggressors. Wars of defense are the primary justification for having a military at all as I see it, and that can include defense of one's allies. |
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stilicho25
Joined: 05 Apr 2010
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| wierdly enough, although I am kind of hawk about american foreign policy, I wouldn't really mind letting SK go it alone. After the beef protests and Roh Muh Hyun, I just don't feel like I have a dog in this fight. Petty I know, but losing another 50k people then seeing more F america songs would pretty much suck. |
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SparkleKorea
Joined: 05 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| One of my favourite bumber stickers is 'Free Tibet.' I usually see it on the bumbers of Saabs and Subarus on drives through Vermont. I would bet the bank that if the US military ever sent a battalion into Tibet to 'free' it the liberals would be scraping these stickers off within 24 hours of the invasion. |
No way man! The Beastie Boys had like a concert in the 90s and stuff about this. You know, the tibetans are peaceful. They have that guy, like, what's his name. The Dolly Llama, who talks about peace and stuff because he's a Buddhist. The Chinese don't like him so they restricted Tibet. Tibet needs to be free because the world will be more peaceful, you know? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:53 am Post subject: |
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Bumper Stickers- The Religious Right's and the Academic Left's equivalent of Calvin whizzing on a Jeff Gordon '24'
At least I can get behind the idea of Gordon being a pink cake bowl target for Junior or Kasey Kahne.
I would say Mark Martin, but he's too classy for that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think bumper-sticker ideology is a problem afflicting this forum. |
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