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Zackback
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Location: Kyungbuk
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 Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: North Koreans escaping into Russia instead of China? |
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| The very top northwest border of North Korea is with Russia. With many trying to flee into China I was wondering if there have been accounts of North Koreans escaping into Russia at this border. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure some do, but there's a lot more infrastructure available to them in China than in Russia. China across the Yalu has hundreds of thousands of Koreans living there already, as well as a shortage of women stemming from the one-child policy. As such, North Korean women can do well marrying Chinese farmers. I don't think there would be anything similar in Russia. |
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machoman
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| there's a chinese dialect that is pretty much korean way up in the north. i'm sure that would make things easier for n.k. defectors. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| machoman wrote: |
| there's a chinese dialect that is pretty much korean way up in the north. i'm sure that would make things easier for n.k. defectors. |
It's not a Chinese dialect, it is Korean. There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
Which was more due to the Japanese occupation than Manchuria being opened up. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
Which was more due to the Japanese occupation than Manchuria being opened up. |
Manchuria was opened up as a result of a treaty between Japan and China prior to the region being occupied by the Japanese. Under the Qing no one could immigrate to Manchuria due to it being the regime's ancestral homeland. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
Which was more due to the Japanese occupation than Manchuria being opened up. |
Manchuria was opened up as a result of a treaty between Japan and China prior to the region being occupied by the Japanese. Under the Qing no one could immigrate to Manchuria due to it being the regime's ancestral homeland. |
UHMMM...just so you know, China actually rules a part of traditional and legitimate Korean territory. There is more to Korea than just the North and SOuth. There is a large section absorbed ito China.
And yes, before you make a comment, I have studied Korean history |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
Which was more due to the Japanese occupation than Manchuria being opened up. |
Manchuria was opened up as a result of a treaty between Japan and China prior to the region being occupied by the Japanese. Under the Qing no one could immigrate to Manchuria due to it being the regime's ancestral homeland. |
UHMMM...just so you know, China actually rules a part of traditional and legitimate Korean territory. There is more to Korea than just the North and SOuth. There is a large section absorbed ito China.
And yes, before you make a comment, I have studied Korean history |
How does this contradict anything I said? |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| How does this contradict anything I said |
Who said I contradicted you? I was just providing more facts so people won't be confused. The inhabitants of that region are not really Chinese but Korean people |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| How does this contradict anything I said |
Who said I contradicted you? I was just providing more facts so people won't be confused. The inhabitants of that region are not really Chinese but Korean people |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
And yes, before you make a comment, I have studied Korean history |
where did you study Korean history? |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Just curious, what is your definition of 'legitimate territory'.
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| northway wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| There was massive Korean immigration to northeastern China after Manchuria was opened up with the fall of the Qing. |
Which was more due to the Japanese occupation than Manchuria being opened up. |
Manchuria was opened up as a result of a treaty between Japan and China prior to the region being occupied by the Japanese. Under the Qing no one could immigrate to Manchuria due to it being the regime's ancestral homeland. |
UHMMM...just so you know, China actually rules a part of traditional and legitimate Korean territory. There is more to Korea than just the North and SOuth. There is a large section absorbed ito China.
And yes, before you make a comment, I have studied Korean history |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
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| How does this contradict anything I said |
Who said I contradicted you? I was just providing more facts so people won't be confused. The inhabitants of that region are not really Chinese but Korean people |
Yes, but that's not because it may or may not be Korean territory "legitimately", it's because of massive immigration from 1850-1950. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, but that's not because it may or may not be Korean territory "legitimately", it's because of massive immigration from 1850-1950. |
No it was legitimate Korean territory prior to that time. Korea lost it when they turned to China once too often for help in protectign their country. If you added it in to present day North and South Korea would be about twice as big. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| superNET wrote: |
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| Yes, but that's not because it may or may not be Korean territory "legitimately", it's because of massive immigration from 1850-1950. |
No it was legitimate Korean territory prior to that time. Korea lost it when they turned to China once too often for help in protectign their country. If you added it in to present day North and South Korea would be about twice as big. |
Wikipedia being the most easily accessible source and agreeing with everything I've ever read on the subject:
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| Throughout history, due to the close interactions between China and Korea, some degree of population movements have always occurred between the two neighboring countries. There were written records of Korean migrations in the early Qing Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, Yuan Dynasty, and earlier. The majority of early Korean populations in China had assimilated with Chinese society. The current Korean population in China is mainly descended from migrants who came between 1860 and 1945. In the 1860s, a series of natural disasters struck Korea, leading to disastrous famines. Along with the Qing dynasty's loosening of border controls and acceptance of external migration into Northeast China, this pushed many Koreans to migrate. By 1894, an estimated 34,000 Koreans lived in China, with numbers increasing to 109,500 in 1910.[citation needed] After the Japanese annexation of Korea, larger numbers of Koreans moved to China. Some merely fled from Japanese rule or economic hardship, while others intended to use China as a base for their anti-Japanese resistance movements. By 1936, there were 854,411 Koreans in China. As Japanese rule extended to China, the Japanese government forced Korean farmers to migrate north to China to develop the land. During World War II, many Koreans in China joined the Chinese peoples in fighting against the Japanese invaders. Many also joined on the Communist side and fought against the Chinese Nationalist armies during the Chinese Civil War. After 1949, estimated at about 600 thousand individuals, or 40% of the Korean population at the time, chose to return to the Korean peninsula. But most Koreans chose to stay in China and took up Chinese citizenship between 1949 (the end of the Chinese Civil War) and 1952.[3] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreans_in_China |
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