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OculisOrbis
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| Supernet, I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not transferring within the BMCOE. I'm quitting my job but wanted to keep the duration of my visa. But I'm giving up on that because protocol states that when an E-2 person quits from the BMCOE that their visa is automatically canceled. They don't really need to cancel my visa. They could transfer the employer to who I want to work for. But BMCOE wouldn't do something like that because that's against protocol. And again the problem with public school surfaces; that is overly-bureaucratic methods. |
It's not bureaucracy that prevents them from transferring your visa - it's a spiteful, punitive policy that they put in place to punish teachers who leave early regardless of their reasons for doing so. Even if you complete the entire contract, they will not give a letter of release to allow a transfer to a new employer - forcing you, unnecessarily, to leave the country to get a completely new visa. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| [ Even if you complete the entire contract, they will not give a letter of release to allow a transfer to a new employer without having to leave the country to get a completely new visa. |
Mr. OculisOrbis, usually I find myself in 100% agreement with you but I don't understand this line of reasoning at all.
When you complete the entire contract...your visa is usually completed as well (maybe 2-3 days difference at most). If the visa is finished and you are not re-signing...how they supposed to transfer an expired visa? |
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OculisOrbis
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| If your letter of release is dated for the last day in your contract and your new contract starts the next day, you can transfer to a new employer and extend for another year if you go to immi a week or two before the contract ends with the necessary paperwork. 90 000won total, 15 minutes at immi and you dont have to leave korea or apply for a new visa. Seamless transition. I've done it twice. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| it's a spiteful, punitive policy that they put in place to punish teachers who leave early regardless of their reasons for doing so |
That is just not so. Clearly OO needs to go to another country more to his liking. Foreigners need to learn what the word 'committment' means and what it requires, instead of using any flimsy excuse to leave their jobs and hurt students.
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| Because hagwons don't give 3 month vacations in SE Asia. I wanted to travel, that's a big reason why I'm here. |
Then I am glad you are going and please, do not come back. Korea needs people who are here to teach not have a vacation or adventure. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| it's a spiteful, punitive policy that they put in place to punish teachers who leave early regardless of their reasons for doing so |
That is just not so. Clearly OO needs to go to another country more to his liking. Foreigners need to learn what the word 'committment' means and what it requires, instead of using any flimsy excuse to leave their jobs and hurt students. |
It is just so. Otherwise, why wouldnt they provide an LOR to facilitate the transition I described above when COMPLETING a contract? |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Answer the question. What reason do they have not to provide an LOR to someone who is completing their contract - other than to punish the teacher for not continuing employment with them? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Answer the question. What reason do they have not to provide an LOR to someone who is completing their contract - other than to punish the teacher for not continuing employment with them? |
They have no reason to provide a LOR either though. It's just policy...perhaps because they don't want to bother with the extra paperwork. I would chalk it up to general disinterest in what you do after you leave rather than malevolence. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Answer the question. What reason do they have not to provide an LOR to someone who is completing their contract - other than to punish the teacher for not continuing employment with them? |
They have no reason to provide a LOR either though. It's just policy...perhaps because they don't want to bother with the extra paperwork. I would chalk it up to general disinterest in what you do after you leave rather than malevolence. |
That question was actually for superNet, but his post has been deleted.....maybe he was banned. One can only hope.
The only paperwork that is involved for the employer to is to sign the LOR and stamp it. Not too much to ask if you have satisfactorily completed a year of work for them. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| OculisOrbis wrote: |
| Answer the question. What reason do they have not to provide an LOR to someone who is completing their contract - other than to punish the teacher for not continuing employment with them? |
They have no reason to provide a LOR either though. It's just policy...perhaps because they don't want to bother with the extra paperwork. I would chalk it up to general disinterest in what you do after you leave rather than malevolence. |
That question was actually for superNet, but his post has been deleted.....maybe he was banned. One can only hope.
The only paperwork that is involved for the employer to is to sign the LOR and stamp it. Not too much to ask if you have satisfactorily completed a year of work for them. |
But in the case of the public schools the school itself is not your employer but the education officials in charge of GEPIK/EPIK. They are the ones that have to sign off on that. That's why you can work at multiple public schools without being in violation of Immigration regulations.
That said I do agree it doesn't seem too much to ask...but I would chalk it up to disinterest and laziness rather than outright hatred...after all they don't even know you. |
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superNET
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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maybe he was banned. One can only hope.
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So you only want people who tell you what you want to hear posting on this forum? It certainly is not punishment but I can't say more because I would be re-posting a post that has been deleted by a mod.
The other answer I have is, that all my public schools have given me a LOR without my having to ask for one. I haven't had to worry about salary, airfare, pension so maybe there is something about you personally that turns them off of helping you.
That is an option to consider. |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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maybe he was banned. One can only hope.
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So you only want people who tell you what you want to hear posting on this forum? It certainly is not punishment but I can't say more because I would be re-posting a post that has been deleted by a mod.
The other answer I have is, that all my public schools have given me a LOR without my having to ask for one. I haven't had to worry about salary, airfare, pension so maybe there is something about you personally that turns them off of helping you.
That is an option to consider. |
No need to repost it. I read it, that's why I responded to it - ignoring the personal attacks you made that got it deleted and, assuming, got you a warning.
A warning that you seem to be ignoring.... |
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jimmyjnc
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| it's a spiteful, punitive policy that they put in place to punish teachers who leave early regardless of their reasons for doing so |
That is just not so. Clearly OO needs to go to another country more to his liking. Foreigners need to learn what the word 'committment' means and what it requires, instead of using any flimsy excuse to leave their jobs and hurt students.
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| Because hagwons don't give 3 month vacations in SE Asia. I wanted to travel, that's a big reason why I'm here. |
Then I am glad you are going and please, do not come back. Korea needs people who are here to teach not have a vacation or adventure. |
Actually, I am a well qualified and inventive teacher. But I'm not treated like one or even utilized as one should be. I'm a part of an outdated inefficient public education system that is the cause of the rapid spread of hagwons, for every subject, in the past 15 years. Why are there so many hagwons in Korea? Maybe because some things are seriously wrong with the education system and curriculum. Not only that, but as a GET, the conditions are getting worse... I simply no longer want to be a part of this broken system. I enjoyed my years in hagwon much better and if I teach again in Korea it will surely not be for a public school. I don't have to finish my contract because I am not a slave. If I don't like my job, I can quit. That's common sense. I'm doing them a favor by finishing out the semester and doing a winter camp. I'm not pulling a runner or quitting in the middle of the semester. In fact it's the end of the year anyways.
The fact of the matter is that I have perspective on the EFL market in Korea because I've been here since 2006 and have taught in numerous settings. I know a bad gig when I see one and after starting public school, at least this one, I knew it was a bad gig. I gave them 6 months. NO MORE. And what highly motivated professionally educated teacher would want to come to a school like mine? You don't even know the circumstances of me quitting. But a measly salary that is pigeonholed for this fee and that charge(and I don't mean the normal sets of fees) doesn't help. Korea has the highest inflation rate in OECD and these wages ain't going nowhere. I could go on for days with other reasons but I won't waste your time. The point is that I'm not happy and I shouldn't have to keep working some BS job because of my "commitment". When I got hired as teacher I was expecting to be treated like one. But wait I wasn't hired as a teacher, was I? |
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OculisOrbis
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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superNet doesnt need information to judge you.
His standard response is as follows:
you are the FT, you are at fault. you are greedy, you can't teach and dont respect anything about korea. go home.
it's a result of drinking the koolaid. |
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superNET
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a part of an outdated inefficient public education system that is the cause of the rapid spread of hagwons, for every subject |
The rapid rise of hagwons is not due to, as you claim, any substandard educational system or curriculum. It is a business and the Korean people need to work like anyone else.
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| I simply no longer want to be a part of this broken system |
The system isn't broken and if you compared this one with the western ones, you would see that the Korean system is absent of so many problems that come with the so-called unbroken western systems. You would also see that many westerners are saying that their educational systems are broken as well so in reality, you have nothing to replace this, as you claim, 'broken system'.
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| I don't have to finish my contract because I am not a slave. |
You signed the contract on your own free will and choice, you are not a slave if you keep your word and finish it.
The rest of your rant is moot and wrong. |
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jimmyjnc
Joined: 16 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a part of an outdated inefficient public education system that is the cause of the rapid spread of hagwons, for every subject |
The rapid rise of hagwons is not due to, as you claim, any substandard educational system or curriculum. It is a business and the Korean people need to work like anyone else.
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| I simply no longer want to be a part of this broken system |
The system isn't broken and if you compared this one with the western ones, you would see that the Korean system is absent of so many problems that come with the so-called unbroken western systems. You would also see that many westerners are saying that their educational systems are broken as well so in reality, you have nothing to replace this, as you claim, 'broken system'.
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| I don't have to finish my contract because I am not a slave. |
You signed the contract on your own free will and choice, you are not a slave if you keep your word and finish it.
The rest of your rant is moot and wrong. |
Wow, let me debase your arguments with ease:
1. Yes, Korean people need to work. This is true. But that doesn't mean that there is any specific kind of business that Koreans must open. The reason why there is so much money spent on private education in Korea is because people are not satisfied with the quality of education in the public schools. That is why there are so many private lessons, so many students abroad, so many private schools, and so on and so on. Simply stating that this isn't the case doesn't make it so...anyone else smell a government worker?
2. I didn't state anything about "western systems" being "unbroken." Where I come from, there are a lot of problems with our schools. But talking about that has as much relevance to this conversation as talking about the 1922 World Series. I think what you did was make an assumption.
3. I am not a slave if...actually there is no clause in that sentence. I AM NOT A SLAVE. Notice the lack of the "if" in that sentence. I don't honor contracts that aren't being honored. Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining. |
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