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Do unis favour white teachers?
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liveinkorea316



Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dongjak wrote:
carleverson wrote:
Milwaukiedave wrote:
but qualifications are becoming more and more important.


maybe at some universities, but at other universities that are competing against each other for students, white female teachers that can attract $tudent$ and their tuition money is the most important thing...


I don't think you quite realize how the Korean College Entrance Exam works and how Korean students are placed into Universities.

Also, I don't think you know about the Korean mindset when it comes to choosing a University that family, friends and potential employers are going to be impressed by.

Having a white female teacher has very little if not nothing to do with the situation.


I also disagree. I work at a mid tier University I have heard of many students transferring and choosing other universities based on recommendations from friends etc. I think you are only referring to the top 10 or so Universities in Seoul. In other Universities they very much compete for students. The English teachers may be only a small part of this equation but along with campus, social life and the surrounding city students who "miss out" on their preferred Uni can and do choose where they go.
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PRagic



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I know of, and I've worked at three major Korean universities. There is generally a preference for people with a background in Korea and who can speak a little Korean, though.
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enchoo



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Yes white is definitely favored but I am not sure about fema Reply with quote

YES
I have 2.8 masters degrees (gyopo) and my counterparts have all 1-2 bachelors (white) but they probably have been teaching full time all this time while I have been teaching and getting one of my masters at the same time.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: Do unis favour white teachers? Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Do you think that this prejudice extends to the university arena?

There's prejudice everywhere, just depends where you work.

At my current uni, I teach along side the entire gamut; teachers from each of the Big Seven countries, white, black, Asian, gyopo, Filipino, ...

My last uni, too, for that matter.
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Bowden_PSM



Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At a uni in Japan prior to my current stint:

Year 1: 18 instructors; 13 male, 5 female; 15 white, 2 black, 1 asian; all British or commonwealth.

At my current university, the foriegn English staff for the last two years:

Year 1: 14 instructors, 12 male, 2 female; 11 white, 1 black, 2 asian; 10 US, 3 Canada, 1 NZ

Year 2: 12 instructors, 11 male, 1 female; 10 white, 1 black, 1 asian; 9 US, 2 Canada, 1 UK.

I would suppose this is because of the following, in my opinion.

1) Men make up a much larger pool of the ESL instructors in Korea, as in the general sense, men are more likely to leave everything back home and take a chance on going a year abroad to a foreign land.

2) Men are more likely to stay a number of years at it, building up the credentials and experience required to get a uni gig.

3) Blacks, as one poster stated, make up a small percentage of the population back home (10%). I don't know how many as a percentage go abroad in ESL, but in my uni and the PS board before that there were 2 black guys, both from the US.

4) Our hiring commitee looks at all applicants from all over the place. The criteria seems to go in this order: credentials, experience, time spent in Korea, have they taught adults before, age, have they lived in the countryside before, gender, race.

5) My current uni seems to like hiring people from the US, but that could be just our uni.

I just think it is ESL demographics in general at the uni level of qualifacations. As one poster stated, these jobs are very competetive these days. Just my 2 cents.
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Bowden_PSM



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd also mention that the Korean faculty is made up of 3 men and 3 women, and that the hiring commitee is made up of 2 foreign staff and one Korean, with equal votes for each.
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Platinumrose



Joined: 08 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Do unis favour white teachers? Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I've met quite a few uni teachers here and they've all been white. A lot of the uni teachers I've encountered have no masters degree, CELTA or formal training, but they have been young and white.
This might sound paranoid, but it's no secret that many Korean employers think 'white is right' when it comes to EFL.
Do you think that this prejudice extends to the university arena?


Of course it extends to universities, it`s still just ESLing. Why would anyone expect professional standards to apply to a Mcjob like teaching communicative English?
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