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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:48 am Post subject: At SMOE with lots of vacation time left. Have to do camp? |
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I'm at SMOE with lots of vacation time left. I'm not using my vacation time in winter, so I will have 15 days to use during Spring vacation (my school's Spring vacation is less than 15 days in length).
My school wants me to do 2 weeks of Spring camps. I would rather use my vacation time then.
Do I have to do the camp during Spring vacation? Or can I tell them that I plan on using my vacation time then, so I can't do Spring camp? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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A few things first:
It's been awhile since I looked at a current SMOE contract.
You must mean summer vacation, not spring, right?
SMOE was requiring people to take a certain amount of vacation each break so these things wouldn't happen. This happened because people chose not to take vacation in winter and took off in July with 21 business days of vacation. However, even if people were taking 7 days in the winter, those with 14 days in the summer were unable to complete a camp.
That being said, here's the law which was confirmed by a head SMOE official a few years ago:
Vacation in a contract trumps camps. Period. You must take it, and even if you are resigning, it cannot carry over into the next contract. |
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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
A few things first:
It's been awhile since I looked at a current SMOE contract.
You must mean summer vacation, not spring, right?
SMOE was requiring people to take a certain amount of vacation each break so these things wouldn't happen. This happened because people chose not to take vacation in winter and took off in July with 21 business days of vacation. However, even if people were taking 7 days in the winter, those with 14 days in the summer were unable to complete a camp.
That being said, here's the law which was confirmed by a head SMOE official a few years ago:
Vacation in a contract trumps camps. Period. You must take it, and even if you are resigning, it cannot carry over into the next contract. |
"Spring" camp is for February. There is a period of time off at the end of the month of February. That is when I want to use most of my vacation time that is left, but that is when the school wants to do another camp.
In my SMOE contract it does say "If the requested vacation period interferes with regular school schedule or smooth work operations (e.g. English camps operated by the district offices or schools, school reopening schedules after the breaks), employer/employee may alternate vacation dates."
After Winter vacation I'll have more than enough vacation days to use for the entirety of "Spring" vacation (February). Would that be "interfering" with regular school schedule ("Spring" camp), therefore forcing me to use some of my vacation days during Winter vacation and doing "Spring" camp in February?
I plan on switching schools when I'm done in April. Does this "vacation in a contract trumps camps" occur with EPIK/GEPIK? |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| This is interesting. If I re sign my contract I get an extra 2 weeks of vacation, but since I do afterschool classes, there is really no time for that. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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I had something like this happen. SMOE will side with whatever the school decides. You must do a camp in the winter and summer. You can use your vacation days during desk warming weeks though. Like finals and mid terms.
After school classes are optional, they can't make you do it. Nothing in the contract says you have to do it. It just says you'll be compensated at x rate. Actually they can make you do it if they schedule the classes within your 22 weekly limit. |
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gogophoto
Joined: 20 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| jst wrote: |
I plan on switching schools when I'm done in April. Does this "vacation in a contract trumps camps" occur with EPIK/GEPIK? |
That is not the case at my school, and I am under the GEPIK contract. The exact same clause as listed above about me taking my vacations days ONLY when it doesn't interfere with the runnings of the school is in the GEPIK contract as well.
| winterfall wrote: |
I had something like this happen. SMOE will side with whatever the school decides. You must do a camp in the winter and summer. You can use your vacation days during desk warming weeks though. Like finals and mid terms.
After school classes are optional, they can't make you do it. Nothing in the contract says you have to do it. It just says you'll be compensated at x rate. Actually they can make you do it if they schedule the classes within your 22 weekly limit.
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I disagree with the 'don't have to do afterschool classes', at least under GEPIK. My contract states (and so does everyone else's this year) that we are required to teach up to an additional 6 hours above 22 per week if asked. Anything above that is optional. Of course those additional 6 hours DO come at the specified overtime rate. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree with the 'don't have to do afterschool classes', at least under GEPIK. My contract states (and so does everyone else's this year) that we are required to teach up to an additional 6 hours above 22 per week if asked. Anything above that is optional. Of course those additional 6 hours DO come at the specified overtime rate. |
That is for REGULARLY OCCURRING classes. If you take vacation days, that is ONLY ONE BLOCK of days, then you are done. If the school picks Friday for example, and you work until 5:30 instead of the usual 4:30 you get paid overtime (in theory) for that 23rd hour of teaching. However, if it is "vacation time" then you don't teach this Friday class. You are more likely teaching 10-15 hours or doing a camp.
To find out exactly what, and more importantly when, you need to teach, you have to talk with your school. They will plan things differently than other schools. Request the periods you want off (50% or less of your total vacation time listed in your contract), or just let them know you need to make arrangements when they decide when the camps will happen. In my case, I just waited and the head English teacher gave me vacation time during mid-term period in April/May for my winter days I didn't take when the Chinese new year was celebrated. This was much better than trying to find something to do in the cold. |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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most schools will have camps in Jan then be off for several weeks after. One final week for graduation then 2 more weeks for "Spring Break" this gives you 5 weeks vacation time even if you do a full 3-week camp. The vacation time is not continuous so that sucks.
If you re-sign, that 2 weeks bonus can't be taken until the following summer as there will not be time until then. This is the way that I have been told, but I'm not re-signing so I could be off. |
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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Okay.
Last edited by jst on Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:18 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't do optional afterschool. I don't desk warm. My regular job is afterschooln at a public school. I am on a public school contract. There just isnt a break in my teaching schedule to fit extra vacation days in. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| There just isnt a break in my teaching schedule to fit extra vacation days in. |
My schedule was similar. I wanted more pay, so the school was more than happy to include those as part of the contract. However, even with a full schedule they are still obligated to give you vacation time. Simply decide how many days you want off. If you want to go to places in Korea, it's easy to arrange 3 days here and there to get your total time allowed off. If you want a week off and visit another country, then you need to let them know now. After that, let them decide when they can give you time off. If they refuse in any way let them know it's in the contract and post here. |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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If you have no time, here is the list of things in order of priority:
-Camps
-Vacation
-Regular classes
If you get loaded up with camps and they are mandatory, your school has to be prepared to let you take your vacation time during regular classes. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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dude you need to reschedule that cr@p now. Camps are not optional they are obligatory: ie you must do them.
If you have too much holiday outstanding going into the next vacation period and there is not enough time in the term to schedule the camp and
your vacation then you will lose your vacation: they won't compromise the camp as these are mandatory from the education offices. You should be having around 14-17 days in the winter tbh. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Good posts by most. Dates should be able to be adjusted within the contract dates. Just to repeat: Korean law requiring your vacation to be completed by the end of the contract. If, by chance, your contract is ending and you have too much vacation that bars you from doing a camp, you don't do camp. You take your legally owed vacation.
On a side note, if your re-sign and get bonus vacation, that can be carried into the next contract. |
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