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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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| DaffyD73 wrote: |
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| How did you get so many days of vacation? You are supposed to use half in the summer and half in the winter so you don't run into problems like this, I believe. |
I only used 5 paid vacation days during Summer vacation.
I let my head co-teacher know that I wanted to go on a nice trip in February, so I would save most of my vacation days for February. |
I may get flamed here - and i infer nothing about the OP.
I feel it is quite important when discussing the SMOE Vacation issue to look at the whole year - i know this can be difficult - because being in the education field our vacation has to be taken at certain times because our customers are students.
Now the OP took 5 days in Summer we are allowed 21 a year which i think most people use in a 10/11 style block. -My question for the OP is during Summer Vacation time ( camp + 5 days .... ) did you stay at home but not use vacation days or did you desk warm.
If you did desk warm or Camp for all of summer time vacation time period apart from the 5 days - then you have a case.
If you had time off with pay but not counted as Vacation then i feel the case is not as clear cut - just because one wishes to have a really long vacation and saves up days for it , but also takes paid days off as a "bonus" does not fit with my impression of how teachers should act.
Again i am not saying the OP did this - but with the lack of details provided in the post- i feel posters need to take this possibility into account.
We have a job which gives us 21 days Vacation - but we do not have the freedom of an office worker in choosing exactly how we can use them - there are conditions or parameters that need to be considered. |
I was given "home study", which means I can stay home during days I don't have camps, but I must write reports. I wouldn't have cared if I had to deskwarm in the summer, but they said I just had to do home study instead of deskwarm.
So I should have asked to deskwarm instead of the offered "home study"? |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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^^ I thought we weren't allowed this.
Get ready to see the kids in Feb |
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jst
Joined: 14 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
^^ I thought we weren't allowed this.
Get ready to see the kids in Feb |
Next time I'll ask for deskwarming...
Thanks everyone. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I do home study on school holidays sometimes (like when my school had Monday and Friday off for Chuseok, but they weren't red days). I don't ask for them all the time, but they are nice. I take photos of wherever I go that's touristy, then use these later to create powerpoints on how I visited a cultural site in Korea. My principal likes these.
I just have to make sure that I use photos that don't show completely different seasons or weather! |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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smoe sucks!  |
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jonpurdy
Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I did some "home study" during my first year that didn't count towards vacation days. Though I didn't do that last or this year because they are getting to be too strict with contracts. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
^^ I thought we weren't allowed this.
Get ready to see the kids in Feb |
yup, OP you got screwed. They do the same thing whenever you sign out of school to pay bills. They're slowly use your vacation days. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Your vacations take priority over anything the school has planned. The school can't override Labor Law simply because they want to use you for a camp.
Tell your school you are sorry but you will be using all of your vacation days.
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No and yes, I'm afraid.
Yes, by law the school has to allow you to take your vacation days, but they don't have to let you take them at any specific time.
And no, vacation does not take priority over what the school has planned, even if some schools might bend over very easily for their NET and it effectively seem that way.
The school must allow you to take your remaining vacation days, but they can still insist that you work for those 2 weeks in February. When exactly you'd be able to take your remaining vacation days would be up to you and the school to work out together. It might be that you end up taking some of them on days when school is actually in session - those fairly meaningless early February days for example. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: |
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OP what are the dates of your contract: is it a typical summer - summer contract?
Basically the op wants them to reschedule the Spring camp so he can go abroad as planned. That is the jist of it.
Firstly, that is a very poorly written post op.
Secondly, unfortuantely you just have a bad draw.
The only way the school is wrong here is if they are stating that you cannot use your vacation time because you must do some other school orientated task and you lose that time as a result.
Other then that, it is not their prerogative what you want to do and they dont have to accommodate anything.
The camp comes first. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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You've already done your camp work, take a stand.
I'll flame you Daffy. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? ARE YOU A MORON?!?
I agree, people should take into account the whole year. But the other side of this is the reality that the schools and districts don't treat NET's with the same courtesy as KT's. For example, last year I had to do two weeks of winter camp. They were scheduled in such a way that one of my co teachers went to New York for three weeks and then taught the second week of winter camp with me. My other co teacher taught the first week of winter camp with me and then took off for the Philippines for three weeks herself. Of course, I ALSO was scheduled to teach my advanced class students twice a week a week before the camp and then a week after the camp. The school specifically scheduled the camp and the extra classes so that I could not take any more than about 7 days (weekends included) overseas.
Sure, I could use my vacation days, 2 here, 3 there, but to what end? So I could sit around here in the cold winter while my coworkers went overseas?
OP, you've done your bit for king and country, take your vacation. Those that say he has to do the camp, how much camp is enough for him to do? He's already doing THREE weeks of it during the winter break. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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If the longest continual time you got was 4 days then that is BS. I would fight that to the very end.
I said to my teachers that I want block periods off as travel was one of the main reasons I came to Korea.
By the way I was only saying he has to do the camp according to the rules in the contract. I dont agree with it.
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You've already done your camp work, take a stand.
I'll flame you Daffy. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? ARE YOU A MORON?!?
I agree, people should take into account the whole year. But the other side of this is the reality that the schools and districts don't treat NET's with the same courtesy as KT's. For example, last year I had to do two weeks of winter camp. They were scheduled in such a way that one of my co teachers went to New York for three weeks and then taught the second week of winter camp with me. My other co teacher taught the first week of winter camp with me and then took off for the Philippines for three weeks herself. Of course, I ALSO was scheduled to teach my advanced class students twice a week a week before the camp and then a week after the camp. The school specifically scheduled the camp and the extra classes so that I could not take any more than about 7 days (weekends included) overseas.
Sure, I could use my vacation days, 2 here, 3 there, but to what end? So I could sit around here in the cold winter while my coworkers went overseas?
OP, you've done your bit for king and country, take your vacation. Those that say he has to do the camp, how much camp is enough for him to do? He's already doing THREE weeks of it during the winter break. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
If the longest continual time you got was 4 days then that is BS. I would fight that to the very end.
I said to my teachers that I want block periods off as travel was one of the main reasons I came to Korea.
By the way I was only saying he has to do the camp according to the rules in the contract. I dont agree with it.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. If the result of the OP having to do the late February camp was that he was forced to take all his 15 remaining days 2-3 days here, 2-3 days there with no long block of days off allowed, then that indeed would be ridiculous (although probably still legal, I'm afraid) and I'd suggest anyone in that situation try to fight it.
But if the OP's school let him take, say, the last two weeks of January plus whatever days of the short February regular school schedule to use up his remaining vacation days, then I don't think there's much of a leg to stand and complain on.
I doubt anyone here is saying that they think he should do the camp, merely that he legally would have to if asked and if they were allowing him to get all his vacation days taken before then. I'm sure no-one would want to do another 2 weeks of camp in Feb having already done a 3 week winter camp. But if you can't talk the school out of it, you need to be aware of the possibility of putting your severance and/or exit allowance at risk by refusing to work those last 2 weeks. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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^^ I thought we weren't allowed this.
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I've met some NET's here that still are. They were all vets at their schools so fair to assume liked/valued.
Also seems skewed toward HS teachers.
Elementary school teachers get camped to death and with middle school the risk is also much higher on getting camped very heavily.. Also depends on your POE/MOE and of course the individual school. |
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stevieg4ever
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England
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I find things like this very illustrative of the general position of NETs.
It's not specified in the contract and the schools have to rule in favour of us but it amazes how far they will go just to be difficult and cause aggrevation. They could make life a lot easier by doing a lot of NETs a favour but instead they have to cause trouble by, for want of a better phrase, being nasty and obsinate.
You can't blame posters like 'nathanrutledge' for being 'half empty' about Korea (or whatever you want to call it) when after a solid term of work his school tell him he isnt having more than 4 days off at a time.
When I was at SMOE training we were fed all this horse 5h!t� about 'not spoiling the relationship' well I am sorry but the relationship takes two I am afraid. You ram it down our throats about not 'spoiling' the relationship and then pull stunts like this (and countless others). It's typical of the double standards and hypocrisy that exists in this country I'm afraid.
And then to boot when NETs start getting upset about it they hold it against us and then feed us the 'you must adapt' cr@p. |
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