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Base PX privileges: How and where did you get them?
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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Base PX privileges: How and where did you get them? Reply with quote

Who has done community service or paid a fee to get access to the PX on an American Military base near them?

I am curious because I have access to the airbase in Olsan but I wanted to know what others did to get it in other places in Korea.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know you could get access if not working for the DoD, active duty, or a dependent. Never heard of doing community service to get PX privileges, but I'd do it if they had a program since there isn't a real American market store of any sort in Korea though there are a couple marts selling a few small items of food stuff AAFES imports to Korea. AAFES and the bases are closed off to the public not becuase we are undeserving and should serve community service to gain a shopping privilege, but because security force protection regulations prevent civilians from going on bases unless a guest. As you probably already know, guests can't shop at the PX and commissary either, but they can have their host purchase on their behalf though illegal and would result in serious article 16 repercussions under the UCMJ if the service member got caught.
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Drew10



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's news to me. You have to have a Military ID (or CAC card for Contractors and GS personnel) in order to even get on the base (unless you are escorted by a military ID holder). Then before you enter the PX there is another ID check, This holds true for all bases in Korea.

Care to share more info on how you obtained your PX priveleges?
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rollo



Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can not get px access only acess to the base if you are an american. they use to give access to Canadians but some douchery ended that.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't an issue of not having to pay tariffs?
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
Isn't an issue of not having to pay tariffs?


It's not about tariffs. The exchange is a subsidized store. Like Asia mentioned, if you shop for someone else. It's fraud.

To other posters.

I thought you can't get on the base with just a US Passport??? I tried, Yongsan & Dongducheon always needed someone to sign me in.
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Mr. Peabody



Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: here

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Base PX privileges: How and where did you get them? Reply with quote

olsanairbase wrote:
Who has done community service or paid a fee to get access to the PX on an American Military base near them?

I am curious because I have access to the airbase in Olsan but I wanted to know what others did to get it in other places in Korea.


Olsan airbase? Do you mean Osan airbase?

What kind of ID card allows you on base, Olsanairbase?
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Base access passes are given to non military related folks from time to time but it is not common and command needs to have a good reason for issuing one; having one of these passes does not allow that person into the PX/BX or commissary.
AAFES....sometimes no ID is asked for but the clerks are supose to ask everyone who buys something for ID and ration control card at the commissary.
Reasons vary for getting a base access pass.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
AAFES....sometimes no ID is asked for but the clerks are supose to ask everyone who buys something for ID and ration control card at the commissary.


The patron is required to present both ID Card and Ration Plate upon entry into the Exchange or the Commissary. Additionally, a purchase cannot be processed without the cashier scanning both the patron's ID Card and Ration Plate as the cash register software will not permit the transaction to go through without doing so.
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Drew10



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never been issued a "ration plate" or "ration card".

The only thing that was even monitored in Korea was the beer and liquor. It was monitored through your ID number (AKA Social Security number).

Yes you need someone to sign you on base in Korea, in the states you can get on any Army base but usually are subjected to a vehicle search and a line of questioning (Why are you visiting today?). However, even in the states you can't shop at the PX without a valid military ID (CAC Card).

There is not an issue of someone "not checking ID's" because the ID's are checked at the door. No exceptions.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount of money spent is also monitored. Many years ago, that included both at the Exchange and the Commissary. Now, the monthly dollar limit only applies to the Commissary.

If one has never been issued a ration card/plate (or a form temporarily authorizing access, such as one given to military personnel visiting Korea on leave), then one has never been authorized to purchase stuff there. The ration card/plate system has been in place here for quite some time.

Here is a table showing various base privileges.

By the way, it's Article 15 repercussions. Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice is the article governing non-judicial proceedings.

Another by the way, the Army and Air Force Exchange Service changed their name this year to the Exchange.
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Mr. Peabody



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Cali is right. When I was stationed in Korea I had a "Ration Plate" and everything was counted. These days it's just commissary, beer and hard liquor and a ration plate is still required (at least for retirees).

However, did you know foreign diplomats can shop at the Yongsan Commissary and Exchange?

According to my co-worker, he goes on a regular basis with XXX Embassy and once the ambassador flashes his credentials, he is able to stroll on in with the entourage and shop.

Sounds like BS, I know. But when he came back with Quaker Oats hominy grits, Bisquick, Aunt Jemima syrup and a bottle of Sauza tequila for me, I had to believe he was telling the truth. Razz
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Drew10



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CentralCali wrote:
The amount of money spent is also monitored. Many years ago, that included both at the Exchange and the Commissary. Now, the monthly dollar limit only applies to the Commissary.

If one has never been issued a ration card/plate (or a form temporarily authorizing access, such as one given to military personnel visiting Korea on leave), then one has never been authorized to purchase stuff there. The ration card/plate system has been in place here for quite some time.

Here is a table showing various base privileges.

By the way, it's Article 15 repercussions. Article 15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice is the article governing non-judicial proceedings.

Another by the way, the Army and Air Force Exchange Service changed their name this year to the Exchange.


I was stationed here in 06-07 and have a friend currently stationed here. Neither of us have ever seen a ration card or ration plate and have been shopping numerous times at the commissary and PX (and various shopettes). So i disagree.
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew10 wrote:
I was stationed here in 06-07 and have a friend currently stationed here. Neither of us have ever seen a ration card or ration plate and have been shopping numerous times at the commissary and PX (and various shopettes). So i disagree.


My post below quotes the USFK regulation. Active Duty military are not required to have a Ration Control Plate (RCC). Their family members, however, are. So, unaccompanied personnel will not be issued the RCC.

I happen to have access to the base and have a ration card since I am retired from the US Navy. As a retiree, I must have the RCC to gain access to the Exchange and Commissary.


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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Peabody wrote:
However, did you know foreign diplomats can shop at the Yongsan Commissary and Exchange?


The US diplomats stationed in Korea are authorized personnel for base services, to include the Exchange and Commissary.

Here are some links (all PDF) of interest:

USFK Regulation 1-23, Administration - General, DISTINGUISHED VISITORS.
Quote:
Paragraph 1-4.c. The protocol action officer will--
(10) Issue a ration control plate (RCP), a Status of Forces Agreement Card, and Visitor's Pass for DVs and all members of their party as required. The RCPs are valid for a maximum of 60 days and may be issued to retired military personnel, civilians, and spouses of active duty and retired military personnel as determined by the Chief, Protocol Branch. Protocol action officers are responsible for retrieving all issued DV passes (37EK auto) from the designated escort officer. Escort officers must ensure DV passes and RCPs are accounted for and immediately report any lost or stolen passes to the USFK Provost Marshal�s Office, Security Division (Access Control Section).


USFK Regulation 190-7, Military Police, INSTALLATION ACCESS CONTROL.

USFK Regulation 60-1, EXCHANGE/COMMISSARY SERVICES, Ration Control Policy - Access to Duty-Free Goods.

This last one indicates that Active Duty military members are not required to have a Ration Control Plate. Here is the relevant paragraph:
Quote:
3-3. ACCESS MEDIA. Active Duty U.S. military members are not required to present an RCC to gain access to duty-free goods. Civilian sponsors, and all family members will be granted access to duty-free goods only when presenting a valid identification (ID) card and RCC. The different types of RCCs are described in Table 3-1. The RCCs are controlled items. Individuals may not share, transfer, loan, or sell their RCC to others, including family members.


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