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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Education in N. America is a joke. It's a shadow of what it once was in Canada, and it's a shameful farce in the US.

Increasingly, both countries are pushing out daft, self-centred and ego driven children.

The future does not look pretty. Certainly not in the US.
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alistaircandlin



Joined: 24 Sep 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be a secondary school teacher in England you can have your first degree in education or any other subject. Unless you did extra training, you would be expected to teach the subject you majored in at school. You then apply for teacher training college.

We don't have grade point averages in the UK but I think the new government has specified that you now need at least a second class honours degree to train as a teacher.

Most people do the PGCE - Postgraduate Certificate in Education. This is a one year course that is mainly practice based. You are posted in different schools, you get a mentor and have to plan and deliver a given number of lessons. I think you have to complete 150 days teaching practice, from what I remember, but don't quote me on this. Your lessons are observed and assessed by your mentor and tutors from college. As well as teaching and planning you have to write academic essays and produce a portfolio of evidence to show that you have met a long list of teaching standards. I can honestly say that doing the PGCE was the most intense period of my life, more so than doing a Master's degree full time - I often got by on three or four hours sleep - planning until 2am and then up at 6am to drive to school. This might be different for some people, but at the very least it will be a challenging and stressful year.

After getting your PGCE you are still not fully qualified. You have to find a teaching post and start as an NQT - a newly qualified teacher. To contradict what I claimed above, your NQT year is probably going to be the most intense, stressful period of your life. You are now teaching full time, but you are frequently observed and again have to show that you have met a new list of teaching standards. If you pass this year, congratulations, you have QTS - Qualifed Teacher Status and are legally qualified to teach.

Putting aside my overly-dramatic tone above, it genuinely is a tough thing to do and there are many drop outs but personally I'm glad I did it. It has allowed me to see what it takes to really plan a good lesson, design a scheme of work, manage a difficult class and deal with that kind of stress. It's a job that never stops: evenings and weekends are pretty much gone, at least for your first few years.

Also, it does allow you to go for the better jobs available in the ESL field if that's what you want to do, especially if you majored in English.

There are other ways to qualify in the UK too: on the Graduate Training Program, where you qualify on the job, or as an Overseas Trained Teacher. If, perish the thought, I had to go back and do it again, I would definitely look at the GTP program.
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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Graduate School, Teaching and GPA Reply with quote

Troutslayer wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm curious about a few experiences/opinions from those who are NOT Yanks.

In other countries (Canada, England, Ireland,etc) what does it take to get into graduate school/teachers college? Do you have to have a minimum GPA? Do you have to have already receved a Bachelors in something to do with education?

What exactly is "teachers college" for you guys? Can a college graduate simply say, " I want to teach" and not have to worry about not having enough points in his/her GPA?

In the states, one has to have a 3.0....even for alternative certification programs (along with special programs, such as Teach for America or Teaching Fellows) require a minimum GPA of 2.75....REGARDLESS of previous experience. That means, a person could have graduated nearly 10 years ago, made fairly good grades but had a one year of "party time" and is a 6/10 of a point lacking in the GPA factor.......................not excepted.

We don't have a "teachers college", from what I understand. You have to pretty much done something with your bachelors relating to education or start all over.

Considering the U.S. is hurting for teachers who really want to make a difference, it really is diffucult to get past the GPA factor....very discouraging.


How does it work for you guys in other countries?


slayer of trout



Depends largely on the area you want to teach in and where you are willing to teach. If you are willing to teach Special Education you will find the door wide open and most programs will work with you for a teaching credential.

You could also go for a Masters Degree in that and get admitted on that level rather than the teaching credential level. Then the focus could be on the GRE rather than on your GPA. So, if you did well on the GRE than that could offset a low GPA.

Charter schools also are much more lenient on requirements to be a teacher than are public schools. But if you work for a charter school you are an at-will employee for life and there is no tenure given out after 3 years of service. But it's a starting point.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Graduate School, Teaching and GPA Reply with quote

Troutslayer wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm curious about a few experiences/opinions from those who are NOT Yanks.

In other countries (Canada, England, Ireland,etc) what does it take to get into graduate school/teachers college? Do you have to have a minimum GPA? Do you have to have already receved a Bachelors in something to do with education?

What exactly is "teachers college" for you guys? Can a college graduate simply say, " I want to teach" and not have to worry about not having enough points in his/her GPA?

In the states, one has to have a 3.0....even for alternative certification programs (along with special programs, such as Teach for America or Teaching Fellows) require a minimum GPA of 2.75....REGARDLESS of previous experience. That means, a person could have graduated nearly 10 years ago, made fairly good grades but had a one year of "party time" and is a 6/10 of a point lacking in the GPA factor.......................not excepted.

We don't have a "teachers college", from what I understand. You have to pretty much done something with your bachelors relating to education or start all over.

Considering the U.S. is hurting for teachers who really want to make a difference, it really is diffucult to get past the GPA factor....very discouraging.
How does it work for you guys in other countries?


slayer of trout


Is your plan to teach in the USA? If it is, then you need to do your degree in the USA or else you will not receive a teacher's license. You also need to do it in the state you want to teach in, or else you will have to go though much bs to teach in another state. Receiving a degree in another country will do you nothing for teaching in the USA. Just like a MD from a university in country X can not practice in another country except X without going though a huge amout of red tape.
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enchoo



Joined: 04 Jul 2004
Location: Heading to a reality show near you

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:07 pm    Post subject: If you are up for it try Teaching Fellows in the States..... Reply with quote

They will pay for most of your graduate school plus you will get a teachers' salary. I used this to get my second masters plus teaching license within 5 years. Now I really stand out everywhere. PM me if you need more details!

Beware that they will probably have you teach in an economically challenged area in the states where you have to be an entertainer and teacher. Many posters experiences in Canada match mine in the US while I served as a Public middle/high school teacher in the states. After my 5 years of service here I got out of dodge and now I am getting jobs (and not talking hagwons exclusively) left and right in Korea due to my versatile experiences.
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