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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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And Definitely Kong Gook Soo to 2nd NYC Gal. If Americans can get past the cold noodle part, they are in for a real treat. The, is it right to call it a broth?, is a quality.
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A big bowl of cold mung bean noodles in slightly salty soymilk?
Probably not. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Mexican food includes several different peppers, not just cayenne, like in Korea.
The meats used are more varied. It's not predominantly pork like in korea.
Tortillas can be corn (most common) or flour. I can probably count on two hands the number of times I've had any rice other than white in Korean restaurants.
Which fish and meat stews have absolutely no anchovy or gochujang base?
What is Korean style fried chicken - how is it different from America other than different side dishes? you mean Yangnyum? red pepper paste.
Pig/chicken feet (the lather slathered with red pepper once again), chicken anus, cow intestine, soondae...yes, uniquely korean food which I REALLY doubt will catch on in America. Offal and bits aren't popular among most Americans anymore - they should've tried 30 years ago.
Especially EXPENSIVE bits. I've paid 15,000 a person for dak bal before. No American is going to pay that for some gristle on chicken feet.
Are you complaining about Americans only thinking of Korean food as BBQ, and then hoping it makes the rounds as "the popular food?" What exactly do you want to happen?
"Durp" back at ya. |
Again, pretty clear you only tried a handful of Korean food. If you haven't heard of "tong dak" which is a double fried chicken with NO YANG NYUM, mool neng myun, kal guksu, bin dae dduk, etc. How about all the beef broth soups with no gochu jang or dwen jang?
KFC (Korean Fried Chicken, a coin termed by yelpers) became hugely popular for a while.
Mexican food is all jalapeno based with nacho cheese. That's basically the dumbing down of Korean food you're making.
I wasn't complaining about Americans knowing, but it definitely sparked interest here in Korean food. I don't care if it becomes popular, just trying to push away the ignorance you're passing off as fact. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Besides, I've met more than a few people who wouln't try mole (CHOCOLATE SAUCE, WUT LOL?). Guess what Mexican food is popular in America? Tacos and burritos, maybe fajitas, period. Mexicans love chicharrones, not so popular, right? Don't they also eat some ant larva stuff, too? Isn't lard basically used in every dish in Mexican cuisine? It's in their soups, bread, tortillas basically everything (see what I did there? It's called generalization). Chipotle is just a dried roasted jalapeno. They clearly only use jalapenos to spice their food.
Can you believe Koreans use soy sauce? How about vinegar based sauces? How about plums, oyster sauces, etc? I thought you everything is dwen jang and gochu jang based.
Korean BBQ will be the Korean niche. Whatever, I'm cool with that. |
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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All kinds of mexican food is popular in my area.
Yes, I've enjoyed a pork stomach quesadilla and a beef tongue burrito. Delicious. |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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ive seen ads for Korean stuff in Korean areas. They do have nice Korean Air ads of tv in my moms area, and the local cable has options for korean channels, but they also have like uzbekistani channels, and Ive never heard of an Uzbekistani who live in my moms country town. who knows?
Chicagos had a small chain of "Korean Vegeterean Temple Food" places, I saw maybe 3, that was ages ago and I didnt go. If there were more places, theyd have to be run by young people, because my few friends I sent to Chi-twon Galbi places all reported being ignored by the owners!
Koreas now rich and they deem spending their money on advertising to whiteyz about kimchi and whatnot, its their thing. Korea is basically an exporting country, and so they have to export all they can to make their money. Quality be damned!
They could take that money and make a better social system for the poor and elderly. BUT NO! THERES KIMCHI TO SELL TO HONKEY! 
I love Korean food, always have, but Im a foodie. I love all foods. The big thing? Maybe a big trend, but itll have to be Americanized.The smells alone is a killer. And then, only the younger people may like it. Thats why I love the Japanese, they have such variety and deliciousness, but they dont force it on you. (Maccoli is a new trend among alcohol lovers in Japan, and they even have Maccoli ice cream! Looks great! I give it two years before the Korean magically invent it, thats generally the trend: two years from there to here and 5 minutes to be claimed as a Korean thing. For fashion, maybe 1 year or so. Fashion now is rather Japanese casual from 2 years back, but thats another thread)
Remember, EVERYTHING here is competition. My HS boys always asked me which Korean singer is famous in the US, not who is a good singer, but famous in the US.
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somethingawful
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I honestly don't know how Gamjatan and Samgyupsal aren't crazy popular in North America considering A. how good they are and B. how cheap pork is here. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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90% of Korean dishes are made like this:
1. Water in a pot.
2. Add red pepper paste.
3. Add a few vegetables (these are always the same vegetables)
4. Add your choice of meat.
5. Boil and serve. |
Mexican food consists of:
1. Beans
2. Rice
3. Meat
4. Tortilla
It can taste horrible. It can taste mind-blowingly good. To suggest that Korean food is all the same is as ignorant as saying all Mexican food is the same. |
Mexican food has a plethora of salsas and moles to put on the other base ingredients. It just doesn't compare. pico de gallo, chipotle salsa, guacamole, mole poblano, and on and on. hell, i don't know the names for half of them. I typically identify them by color.
Korean food is 90% gochujang. The remaining 10% is either a bland anchovy broth or doenjjang. |
*swoooosh*
That was the sound of the argument racing past your head.
To mock you some more, here's a comedy bit about Mexican food:
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---bottled-water
At 1:50 on the video . . .
"Mexican food�s great, but it�s essentially all the same ingredients, so there�s a way you�d have to deal with all these stupid questions. �What is nachos?� ��Nachos? It�s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Oh, well then what is a burrito?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what is a tostada?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what i-� �Look, it�s all the same! Why don�t you say a spanish word and I�ll bring you something.��
�Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it�s almost a conspiracy. It�s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, �Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.�
�Who�s in on it?� Then some guy in the back was like, �Wouldn�t that be dishonest?�
�Well, if you�re quiet we�ll name one of the entrees after you, what�s your name?�
�My name�s Chimichanga.�� |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| machoman wrote: |
| i thought about opening up a kimbab shop at my old college town (vcu). a bunch of artsy students wanting different kinds of food. kimbab is cheap, vegetarian friendly, fast and different than anything else that exists in richmond. i wonder if i'm too late now.... |
Vegetarian friendly? I don't think I've ever seen kimbap that didn't at least have spam, egg, and imitatian crab in it...there's not much left to it if you take those out.
I just don't see Korean food as being this bohemian cuisine. Koreans love white rice, ricecakes made from white rice, spam, mayo, and fried stuff.
I see it going the route of the $10 Chinese buffet...which, let's face it, is the face of Chinese food for most Americans. Make it cheap and oily and we Americans with our large waistbands will be there. |
I get kimbap with ham and fish/crab. Egg is vegetarian, and even it I wanted a VEGAN kimbap, I always get loads of carrots, cucumber, danmuji, and that brown stuff. One place near mine even adds tofu if you ask, even though it's not on the menu. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
*swoooosh*
That was the sound of the argument racing past your head.
To mock you some more, here's a comedy bit about Mexican food:
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---bottled-water
At 1:50 on the video . . .
"Mexican food�s great, but it�s essentially all the same ingredients, so there�s a way you�d have to deal with all these stupid questions. �What is nachos?� ��Nachos? It�s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Oh, well then what is a burrito?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what is a tostada?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what i-� �Look, it�s all the same! Why don�t you say a spanish word and I�ll bring you something.��
�Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it�s almost a conspiracy. It�s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, �Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.�
�Who�s in on it?� Then some guy in the back was like, �Wouldn�t that be dishonest?�
�Well, if you�re quiet we�ll name one of the entrees after you, what�s your name?�
�My name�s Chimichanga.�� |
and hilarity ensues. i've been thoroughly "mocked" by your quotes from a bit comic. glad to see he put down the hot pockets to focus on mexican. perhaps after korean food hits every podunk town in america, he'll do a piece on that.
you tongue-in-cheek implied that mexican is thought of as unvaried just as much as korean is. problem is, having eaten a lot of korean and mexican food, it (as i already said) doesn't compare. oh yeah, what is the "big thing" regarding korean food in america lately? bibimbap? galbi? nope - those korean tacos. can't stand up on its own despite its amazing variety of flavors. needs a little fusion help!
yes, korean food is so varied, much more than any food in the world. one of the few esteemed cuisines to feature dog, after all. perhaps that will be the new "big thing." viagra commercials are everywhere, perhaps this is the organic solution. finally, we've connected with the new agers. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
*swoooosh*
That was the sound of the argument racing past your head.
To mock you some more, here's a comedy bit about Mexican food:
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---bottled-water
At 1:50 on the video . . .
"Mexican food�s great, but it�s essentially all the same ingredients, so there�s a way you�d have to deal with all these stupid questions. �What is nachos?� ��Nachos? It�s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Oh, well then what is a burrito?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what is a tostada?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what i-� �Look, it�s all the same! Why don�t you say a spanish word and I�ll bring you something.��
�Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it�s almost a conspiracy. It�s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, �Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.�
�Who�s in on it?� Then some guy in the back was like, �Wouldn�t that be dishonest?�
�Well, if you�re quiet we�ll name one of the entrees after you, what�s your name?�
�My name�s Chimichanga.�� |
and hilarity ensues. i've been thoroughly "mocked" by your quotes from a bit comic. glad to see he put down the hot pockets to focus on mexican. perhaps after korean food hits every podunk town in america, he'll do a piece on that.
you tongue-in-cheek implied that mexican is thought of as unvaried just as much as korean is. problem is, having eaten a lot of korean and mexican food, it (as i already said) doesn't compare. oh yeah, what is the "big thing" regarding korean food in america lately? bibimbap? galbi? nope - those korean tacos. can't stand up on its own despite its amazing variety of flavors. needs a little fusion help!
yes, korean food is so varied, much more than any food in the world. one of the few esteemed cuisines to feature dog, after all. perhaps that will be the new "big thing." viagra commercials are everywhere, perhaps this is the organic solution. finally, we've connected with the new agers. |
You're missing the point of the post. No one ever said that Korean food is the most varied food in the world. You're making fun of the fact that Korean cuisine includes dog, yet Mexican food features ant larvae as well as all sorts of animal guts normally people don't eat (as well as Koreans and various other cultures).
I've been to Mexico many times, I was born in Texas and have eaten both Mexican and Korean foods growing up, and I disagree with you that there is more variety in Mexican food (or any other food) than Korean. Everyone has their bias, of course, but to say that one culture's cuisine is more varied than another is just ignorant. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Ant larvae shops aren't featured in every single neighborhood. It's a marginal dish. People eat bull testicle and squirrel in America too. Marginal.
Come visit Korea and I'll personally point out 3 different boshintang places within a 5 minute walk. |
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AmericanBornKorean
Joined: 08 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ant larvae shops aren't featured in every single neighborhood. It's a marginal dish. People eat bull testicle and squirrel in America too. Marginal.
Come visit Korea and I'll personally point out 3 different boshintang places within a 5 minute walk. |
In a shigol, maybe. It is NOT a mainstream food dish, even in Korea. My parents have never tried boshingtan, neither have I, nor all my 15 cousins or their parents. It is widely known as country food (like bulls *beep* or other dishes in the boonies, USA). Probably the same with escamole (ant larvae) for Mexicans. Marginal.
Come to LA, I can give you 3 different escamole serving places within a 10-20 minute drive (everyone drives here). |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
Mexican food includes several different peppers, not just cayenne, like in Korea.
The meats used are more varied. It's not predominantly pork like in korea.
Tortillas can be corn (most common) or flour. I can probably count on two hands the number of times I've had any rice other than white in Korean restaurants.
Which fish and meat stews have absolutely no anchovy or gochujang base?
Labeling Koreanized Chinese food as korean cuisine is pretty low. almost every country has localized Chinese food, including America and India. I wouldn't call Indian Chinese "Indian cuisine." Besides, few people, even Koreans, laud Korean Chinese food.
What is Korean style fried chicken - how is it different from America other than different side dishes? you mean Yangnyum? red pepper paste.
Pig/chicken feet (the latter slathered with red pepper once again), chicken anus, cow intestine, soondae...yes, uniquely korean food which I REALLY doubt will catch on in America. Offal and bits aren't popular among most Americans anymore - they should've tried 30 years ago.
Especially EXPENSIVE bits. I've paid 15,000 a person for dak bal before. No American is going to pay that for some gristle on chicken feet.
Are you complaining about Americans only thinking of Korean food as BBQ, and then hoping it makes the rounds as "the popular food?" What exactly do you want to happen?
"Durp" back at ya. |
Mexican eat corn tortillas. Everyone else eats flour. Korean eat lots of varities of rice if you go anywhere other than 5000 won kimbap joints. Not all Korean food will become popular just like every other ethnic cuisine. Most people in the West eat tacos but have never heard of mole. They have eaten sushi but don't knbow what yakitori is. No one is saying chicken feet will become popular just as crickets and iguana will never be popular in Mexican restaurants in the West. kimchi jiggae is gross and will never catch on but galbi, bibimbap and maybe a few more will. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
| madoka wrote: |
*swoooosh*
That was the sound of the argument racing past your head.
To mock you some more, here's a comedy bit about Mexican food:
http://comedians.jokes.com/jim-gaffigan/videos/jim-gaffigan---bottled-water
At 1:50 on the video . . .
"Mexican food�s great, but it�s essentially all the same ingredients, so there�s a way you�d have to deal with all these stupid questions. �What is nachos?� ��Nachos? It�s tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Oh, well then what is a burrito?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what is a tostada?� �Tortilla with cheese, meat, and vegetables.�
�Well then what i-� �Look, it�s all the same! Why don�t you say a spanish word and I�ll bring you something.��
�Mexican food is great, but it is all the same, it�s almost a conspiracy. It�s almost like they had a meeting 200 years ago in Mexico City and one guy stood up and he was like, �Hey, the reason I got everyone here is pretty simple, I figured we could rename this one entree seven times and sell it to the North Americans. The French said it would be a good idea.�
�Who�s in on it?� Then some guy in the back was like, �Wouldn�t that be dishonest?�
�Well, if you�re quiet we�ll name one of the entrees after you, what�s your name?�
�My name�s Chimichanga.�� |
and hilarity ensues. i've been thoroughly "mocked" by your quotes from a bit comic. glad to see he put down the hot pockets to focus on mexican. perhaps after korean food hits every podunk town in america, he'll do a piece on that.
you tongue-in-cheek implied that mexican is thought of as unvaried just as much as korean is. problem is, having eaten a lot of korean and mexican food, it (as i already said) doesn't compare. oh yeah, what is the "big thing" regarding korean food in america lately? bibimbap? galbi? nope - those korean tacos. can't stand up on its own despite its amazing variety of flavors. needs a little fusion help!yes, korean food is so varied, much more than any food in the world. one of the few esteemed cuisines to feature dog, after all. perhaps that will be the new "big thing." viagra commercials are everywhere, perhaps this is the organic solution. finally, we've connected with the new agers. |
The same goes for all ethnic food when it hits the U.S. We started making flour tortillas, topping food with sour cream, adding jack and cheddar cheese etc. What most people think of as Mexican food is actually fusion. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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i agree, sour cream and cheese-in-everything are american additions. tortillas de harina (flour) are not, though....americans just like them more and made them bigger. texmex, new mexico-mex, and calmex are fusion.
not really what i think of when i think of mexican food, though. |
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