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Alias77
Joined: 28 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Are you sure it's only 8$? That seems inappropriately cheap compared to the cost of getting a diploma apostilled. I feel like there's a hidden charge or complication lurking there somewhere.
Immigration has accepted the affadavit from the US embassy for background checks up until this point. Considering that 15 additional days of waiting time are involved, that may cost someone a job opportunity as the CBC must be present to begin the visa issuance process.
I just called immigration and was told that the apostille is, in fact, the primary choice of verification. However, the representative said that getting the affadavit at the embassy may be accepted under "exceptional" circumstances, which would be determined through a conversation at immigration at the time of the document submission. So, it turns out that you're right in saying that it might be a gamble to try for the affadavit.
I'm curious to know what the definition of "exceptional" will be.
Well, at least I now know that I should have the CBC mailed directly to someone in the States to have it sent on for the apostille to save as much time as possible. Thanks for making me check up on that. |
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melirae1976
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Location: the 'burbs
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I have done my research and rather than doing something that may be rejected, I'm going through the time and expense of doing it the right way so that I don't have to deal with a headache down the road.
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An affidavit can be done and in your hands in a day, an apostille will take however long in transit time, plus associated expenses, plus however long for the state department to do it.
If you're in the US and it only takes a day and $8, do it. Definitely do not pay $200 for the various apostille services. |
It can't be done in a day unless you are in DC and can walk it in- it could potentially take 3 weeks through mail. However, if you know you want to renew and you need the CBC with the apostille, get to work on it! I definitely wouldn't pay one of those services $200 when it can be done so much cheaper with a little planning ahead.
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Under Issuance of Proof of Criminal of Lack of Criminal Records
"※ In case applicant stay in Korea and is sent Criminal Background Check by mail, Or one's entry to Korea is imminent, the document notarized by one's embassy in Korea may be exceptionally acceptable."
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The key words here are may be exceptionally acceptable.
nstick13- have you renewed your E2 visa under the new guidelines with a CBC that only has only been notarized (not being snide, just curious if this has ACTUALLY been done, not the whole "my-friend's-cousin's-friend's thing). The "other source" in my case is the person at my office who deals directly with immigration and handles the visa for all the instructors as their primary job- I'm not dealing with some hack recruiter who is trying to make a profit off me. It is in their interest to make sure that the law is complied with and I am legal with all my documents. |
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melirae1976
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Location: the 'burbs
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Alias77- yes, it is only $8 per document from the State Department.
http://www.state.gov/m/a/auth/index.htm
Also, your diploma shouldn't be that expensive to get apostilled. A few states charge around $20, but most are under $10- I only paid $3 in my state. http://www.apostilleinfo.com/usa.htm I think where it gets expensive is when you start using those services.
IMO, I think what will happen with the affidavit is they will accept it initially if someone doesn't have time to get the apostille in order to meet deadlines, but they are going to want a CBC with an apostille at some point down the line. That's why it just makes sense to "do it right" the first time- I don't want to have to go through getting a CBC a second time. If you submit your CBC with the affidavit, they probably won't return it, so when they want one with an apostille, it's fingerprinting time again...and another 12 weeks for the CBC...then 3 more for the apostile...and lots of money ($18+$8+tons of FedEx charges!)
I have also seen a few people post that their employers have been told that those renewing at the same school will be given a small grace period if they can prove they're working on getting an apostilled CBC done- but that is completely heresay- I can't confirm that. |
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passport220

Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Location: Gyeongsangbuk-do province
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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nstick13 wrote: |
This seriously should be a sticky. I've posted it at least 15 times now.
You do NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT! have to get an apostille if you're in Korea!!!
You may SWEAR AN AFFIDAVIT at the US Embassy. Immigration explicitly states this on their website. Immigration will accept that in place of an apostille if one is in Korea or entry is imminent... |
As discussed in a previous thread you continue to give this infromation based on a K-imm website that has not been updated since the introduction of the new rules. You keep posting it, but did you ever verify if the information is really valid at this point? |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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As discussed in a previous thread you continue to give this infromation based on a K-imm website that has not been updated since the introduction of the new rules. You keep posting it, but did you ever verify if the information is really valid at this point?
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What do you mean hasn't been updated? There are notes throughout the website with stuff about the new rule for 2010. Go check it out.
Why would you assume it wouldn't be accepted? You all ARE the case which it specifically says is allowed for the exception to the general requirement.
I understand why everyone's skeptical, really. This is a strange situation in Korea E-2 visa processing--a clause that actually makes something EASIER for the foreign teacher. I'm also not saying you have to do it this way, just feel like people should have access to the information when they ask the question, something that happens, oh, frequently. I chose to follow this route, you may choose the other. Whatever. Just know that this is an option per Korean Immigration rules.
And, regrettably, I have not had to renew with this yet, but was accepted to EPIK for next year with no issues--hoping to receive my contract in the very near future. |
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melirae1976
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Location: the 'burbs
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:00 am Post subject: |
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nstick13 wrote: |
And, regrettably, I have not had to renew with this yet, but was accepted to EPIK for next year with no issues--hoping to receive my contract in the very near future. |
I'm renewing with this right now. I have a contract. Immigration wants the apostille. The exception is they realize it might not be here in time for the renewal process. They may make the "exception" of giving me a little more time to get it together, but they are not waiving the requirement. |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:18 am Post subject: |
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And commence the head-banging against the wall part of the evening.
I appreciate you following up on this. I put an e-mail in with the EPIK Coordinator. I'm willing to push immigration on this a bit, especially since EPIK should be willing to assist. EPIK, like all of us, can only go with the information available on the website, right? They can't call in for every single set of documents.
Are you in Seoul?
<---- Me vs. Immigration.
I am going to the states in late Jan., so I can get an apostille to replace at the last minute, though I won't tell immigration this until the very end (as the trip is brief and there will barely be time for the apostille as it is).
Game on. |
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princess
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: soul of Asia
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: CRC |
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The requirement for FBI Criminal Background checks for E2 Visa renewals has been postponed a year.
You can get fingerprinted at any of the major Korean police stations. Just bring the fingerprinting document. You can also print out all necessary documents from the FBI website. After filling out the paperwork, getting the fingerprints, just enclose payment and mail to the instructed address.
The trick is getting the document apostillized. The FBI doesn't do it. You'll have to take the FBI Check to your state to get apostillized. |
Has this requirement REALLY been postponed for a year? I am hearing different things on here. Some say they are getting waivers and can wait until 2012, and some are saying they need this now. I have been waiting on my FBI CBC for 10 weeks now.  |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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The e-mail back from my EPIK coordinator said that after I mentioned it to him and asked him about it, he ran it by his supervisor who was OK with it.
Here's one of the initial questions I've had about this that's been nearly impossible to answer:
When does this matter?
As far as I know, our documents never go to immigration. Last year, I got my visa in Egypt, and only took my notice of appointment and passport to the Korean Embassy in Cairo, and was given my visa the next day. EPIK is still going to send our contracts soon (whenever they do). I'm not showing an apostilled CBC (or notarized one, for that matter) when I go renew my visa, mainly because even if I had had an apostille, I wouldn't have that to take with me now, as it would've been submitted with my documents. |
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melirae1976
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Location: the 'burbs
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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If you're at a legit place that's not a public school, your documents do go to immigration. For people who get visa issuance numbers as opposed to notice of appointments, they would have to submit all their paperwork first to get the visa issuance number. This is why people shouldn't turn over the CBC with just a notarized affidavit- it will be taken to immigration, you might not get it back then immigration wants one with an apostille, you have to go through the possible 3-4 month hassle of getting another one. |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:06 am Post subject: |
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So I wasn't totally wrong, and immigration needs to clarify their website (surprise!).
Only in Korea can what seems crystal clear look like mud. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure this question has been answered and I apologize for not finding it.
If you're in Korea, have had E-2s before, and are changing jobs, is the FBI CBC a make or break requirement after January 1?
I ask because I have a state CBC in hand and could be waiting another month or more for an FBI CBC.  |
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melirae1976
Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Location: the 'burbs
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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It's not what I was hoping to hear but thanks nonetheless. |
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