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[rollo]

Sorry Wall Street was not really important in the building up of Hitler. You would have to look to London for that. I believe the Chamberlain family was heavily invested in Nazi owned businesses. Just saying England was far far wealthier than the U.s. which was in depression. Also the British loved Hitler, he balanced the Soviet threat.

Please tell me exactly vistitor q what is a 'war crime" in the terms of international law.

But the amazing thing is to compare the Japanese empire of the 30" and 40"s to the U.s. of that time frame. America at that time would have been empire "lite" at best. the Japanese empire was huge and growing. You have juxtaposed the U.s'.s current position with it's position in the 30's and 40's. Almost no military, and the country was mired in depression. The U.S. was rather a weak sister.
Here is a question? Why did Britain stand idly by and do nothing about the Japanese attrocities in china. The U.K. had the muscle and influence to step in. I would think that they must have benefited by allowing it. Also I think to the BRits the Chinese were not human so it did not matter. Please justify the U.K's lace of action. Japanese jews??

[visitorq]

[Mosley]

A few points of note:

First, to say Britain was wealthier than the US during the Depression is patently absurd.

Second, Mises: you quoted Ernst Nolte regarding the idea of National Socialism being an acceptable reaction to Bolshevism. Nolte has been lambasted by so many other scholars for this thesis that he has the credibility now of Nick Nolte.

And who came up with the gem about the fascistic Israelis and their "expansionism"?! Riiiiiiight. So after 6 decades of the State of Israel, we can note that the Star of David flies over North Africa, Asia Minor and the Arabian Peninsula.

Last, but least, visitorq: I'm not sure if it's mushy Marxism you espouse or the childish anti-Semitism of the G20 protester set. I'm pretty sure you don't know either. If Wall Street backed fascism AND Bolshevism, well, I guess we know what...ahem...tribe we're talking about.

For the contradictory relationship between big business and the Nazis, at least, check out Henry Ashby Turner, Robert Gellately et al., and get back to us.

[Steelrails]

I have no problem regarding myself as a possible target by terrorists or KJI or whoever else is out there. That's the way things are. Certainly an attack on civilians will be taken more seriously, but in the end the reality of the world is what it is. If I don't want to be part of this situation I'll move to a neutral country that doesn't send an army around the globe.

[rollo]

Mosley I was writing about the wealthy colonies that Britain owned and it's ownership of Iranian oil and its stranglehold on the finances of china. I think these factors made Britain wealthier than the U.s. I am aware of the depression in the U.K but Britains finacial position was still stronger than the U.s. Also Britain was much stronger militarily.

If Japan was so close to surrender why didn't they surrender after the first bomb was dropped?"

the rest of the stuff written here is absurd. Wall Street certainly had nothing to do with the Japanese army and it's behavior in china.

[mises]

[Kuros]

Okay, so the central bone of contention seems to be whether the US needed to occupy Japan, not whether the atomic bomb saved lives (Japanese and American) by preventing an invasion.

[Mosley]

My, my, my...amazing how these thread topics go astray. That's not always a bad thing....

rollo, it's been noted many times by scholars that the difference between WW I and WWII, in exposing Britain's imperial & economic decline, is that after WWI the Brits could conceal it. After WWII, not really so. Colonies were a drain rather than a plus to the imperial/econ. interests(Hobson's & Lenin's claims to the contrary). There was the disastrous 1926 Gold Standard decision, the 1931 National Coalition gov. crisis, etc., etc. BTW, who was getting Lend-Lease '40-'41...America from Britain or the other way around?!

And where did I say Japan was ready to surrender in summer of '45?! I said Japan was beat to a snot then(it was). Besides irrational fanaticism(any other kind?)some military cliques were prepared to fight to the bitter end-in part BECAUSE they were whipped.

mises: Where did I "appeal to authority?" I said Nolte has been roasted by other scholars(true). Being a "scholar" does not imply intellectual infallibility(to put it mildly). It's just that when a crapload of academics, journalists, etc., tend to attack someone's view, one might say "hey, there might be something to this!" Hey, David Irving has won praise in some circles for his innovative research techniques, etc., but the fact remains he has been torn to shreds by many..."scholarly" or otherwise.

And so w/Nolte. He's gotten it both barrels from German and non-German alike ... and from what can be termed "left, right and centre."

Here's just a tidbit from Robert Gellately: ''Nolte's statements are an astonishing and reprehensible replication of Nazi rhetoric, notwithstanding his unsuccessful maneuverings to distance himself from the racist ideology of the Third Reich. [H]e has been roundly & rightly condemned not only for advancing the ... shocking position that the Jews were somehow to blame for their own destruction....''

Speaking of the... ahem..."Chosen People", I must defer to you, mises. I looked at a map of the original frontiers of the 1948 State of Israel and compared it to one of 2010. As you said, the State of Israel's "expansionism" is one of a weekly basis, and after 6 decades it's clear that the Israelis are on the Straits of the Dardanelles.

[rollo]

Good point about lend lease!!

Otherwise this thread has drifted into the twilight zone. Wall Street controlling the Japanese army. National socialism being the only antidote to communism. Of course since we are talking about Japan, jews are brought up.

Her is my thought. The dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima May have been a war crime. I dont think it was. But it might also been the best option at that time.

Pilger's article is rhetoric he needs to concentrate on writing how Hugo Chavez is going to bring true Democracy to Venezuela by jailing any opposition. This is his forte not history.

[Nowhere Man]

Oh yes, and it was all a sham war.

If we funded Germany, Japan, and Russia, then the reason to join the war was...?

And this is all an argument coming from those who weep at how business is saddled by government?

I pity the soul.

[rollo]

There was no WWII. Wall Street controlled the U.S.S.R. Japan, GErmany and the Japanese army in China. This thread has reached an end. It is time to let it die! Big Bird is happy as we have wasted a percentage of our lives arguing about something that happen 65 years ago.

The A bomb was never dropped on Hiroshima. All dreamed up in WAshington and Hollywood did the special effects. they even convinced the Japanese people that it happened all of this so Israel could rule Europe!!! It is so clear now. Thank god that Pilger led up to the truth!!!

[visitorq]

[rollo]

Excellent argument style! Sure it worked for you in what high school

But this thread is dead!!!. Read about how much material and money the Soviets pumped into Germany then talk about Wall Street funding Hitler. Also if you really think that the rape of Nanjing was ordered by stockbrokers in New York city could you please write the source for that information.