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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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 Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Junior wrote: |
| sojusucks wrote: |
| Remember, too, that Time Magazine is a widely-read magazine. There's no ignoring the situation, now. |
I don't know...
They ignored the genocide in Rwanda and Darfur. Widespread honor killings and abuses of women in Palestine/Gaza. Political killings in Zimbabwe. Human rights abuses in eritrea, saudi arabia, north korea and yemen.
So I somehow doubt the world community is going to be up in arms at HIV tests in Korea. |
Indeed. The egocentricity here is astounding. NO ONE CARES (other than yourself and your family). Heck even teachers here don't care. Times are tough all over. People will worry about themselves first and their friends second. Some unrelated teacher having to take HIV tests on the other side of the world is not even on the radar. |
Wishy washy double speak, did you jump over the fence? First you said "it's good that nobody will care outside S. Korea." Then you deleted it but later admitted you said it but excused yourself by saying "I was being sarcastic." Now, you again say "NO ONE CARES." I suppose you are included, so why do you continue posting?
Which do you think is better "no one caring," or thinking "it's good that nobody will care outside S. Korea." BTW you don't speak for everyone, it seems you often like to try though. I don't think this is the only time you've done so on this thread and I'm not the only one who has noticed.
I forwarded this Time magazine piece to 7 people that I know back home, each of whom replied in disgust of S. Korea's discrimination and will tell others I'm sure. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity. |
E-2's are for foreign language instructors, nothing to do with ethnicity. If you happen to be an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, then you'll get an E-2. If you're not an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, you'll get an E-2. Again, ethnicity has nothing to do with getting an E-2.
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it. |
I wasn't arguing about these class of visas, you are right some of the F-class visas are based on ethnicity, but it has nothing to do with the the E-2 visa.
You claimed the E-2 is based on ethnicity, it simply isn't. |
Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable? |
It's not that easily attainable, particularly for adoptees. Think the E-2 visa process is difficult? Double it and add in a language barrier on top with no recruiter there to take you step by step.
It was a minor miracle I got mine, thankfully my parents are very meticulous record keepers and I had a bunch of paperwork left over from an adoptee records check I did. Many ethnic Koreans facing that extra set of paperwork just go "well I'm only here for a year, I'll just do the E-2 and get this over with".
EDIT- It would also have been nice if the author had bothered to interview any ethnic Korean English Teachers to see if in fact they had ever been tested for HIV/AIDs before she wrote the statement "though ethnic Koreans are exempted, regardless of where they are born or raised. "
That was terrible journalism, worthy of the Korea Times, and once again typical of American reporting of issues in other countries. |
I disagree, from what you said above the only thing you have to do is keep your records. It's like me/my parents keeping my birth certificate. That's not that difficult to do and is certainly easier than the E-2 process -- 3-4 month wait for an FBI check. If you(ethnic Korean) have your records WALLA, you don't have to get an FBI check if you work for a private hagwon not to mention skip the HIV/AIDS test and fee.
If you want sympathy go here...
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2010/12/sorrows-of-fake-native-speakers.html |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| E-2s are those who have not proven their Korean ethnicity. |
E-2's are for foreign language instructors, nothing to do with ethnicity. If you happen to be an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, then you'll get an E-2. If you're not an ethnic Korean and meet the requirements to get an E-2, you'll get an E-2. Again, ethnicity has nothing to do with getting an E-2.
| geldedgoat wrote: |
| F-4s are those who have. F-2s are those who have proven they're 'Korean enough' by marrying an ethnic Korean. Clearly ethnicity has a lot to do with it. |
I wasn't arguing about these class of visas, you are right some of the F-class visas are based on ethnicity, but it has nothing to do with the the E-2 visa.
You claimed the E-2 is based on ethnicity, it simply isn't. |
Very few ethnic Koreans would want an E2. E2 isn't based on ethnicity, but why would an ethnic Korean want a lesser visa when one that IS based on ethnicity (and is much better) is easily attainable? |
It's not that easily attainable, particularly for adoptees. Think the E-2 visa process is difficult? Double it and add in a language barrier on top with no recruiter there to take you step by step.
It was a minor miracle I got mine, thankfully my parents are very meticulous record keepers and I had a bunch of paperwork left over from an adoptee records check I did. Many ethnic Koreans facing that extra set of paperwork just go "well I'm only here for a year, I'll just do the E-2 and get this over with". |
So, they'd have to do a records check. Is that so difficult? You still get a much better visa. Even if it's costly, most people would prefer that to the E2, if the option were viable.
As for keeping paperwork from an adoption, that's on par with keeping one's original birth certificate. I don't see this as extraordinary. We have my little brother's documents locked up with ours. <<shrugs>> |
Many Korean adoptees are missing their family registry papers. Given the spotty nature of records of the Korean baby export boom era and the desire of adoptive parents to create a new life for their child, these things tend to not be kept track of too closely. I showed up with the documents required for an F-4 and it still took an extra week because they had to contact my adoption agency and check with Korea whether or not my documents were genuine. I could have gotten that E-2 right then and there and been on the plane a week earlier.
Anecdotally, of the ethnic-Korean teachers I have met here, half of been on F-4s, half have been on E-2s. And since all of them have either taught at public schools or been part of the TaLK program, they all had to do drug tests and HIV tests, not that I agree with how things are done, just that plenty of Koreans are here on E-2s. |
I'm not sure you know about the E-2 process, if you think you "could have gotten that E-2 right then and there and been on the plane a week earlier."
I suggest you read up on the process...
http://www.thewaygookeffect.com/2010/10/fbi-background-check-walk-through-for-e.html |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Mosley wrote: |
Gee, NSTs(esp. E2s) aren't treated as badly as Darfur refugees(an apples and ... er... automatic transmissions comparison if there ever was one)so said NSTs in South Korea should shut up & bend over?
How DO apologists sleep at night? |
Let me guess, by siding with AES(in part), and nodding "ney" along with those government "officials" they influence, and their comments such as...
�There is little probability that someone will be infected by AIDS as long as that person does not have sex with a foreigner. However, if the rumors are true, then Koreans who have had sexual contact with a foreigner will almost all contract AIDS.�
And...
"Koreans who have had sexual contact with a foreigner will almost all contract AIDS"
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2010/12/from-cabinet-meeting-into-your-arm.html |
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Koharski
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Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: |
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OK, it seems this thread has turned into the usual fight amongst NETs, complete with the usual insults, and a platform to promote various blogs. I believe this discussion has run its course.
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