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Grim Ja



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: On the Beach

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Returning after all these years Reply with quote

"When I was here, I wanted to be there; when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the jungle." Willard

I first went to Korea in 1996 and stayed until 2008. During that time I moved from hagwon to university to international school to opening up my own hagwon. Also went from bachelors to teaching certification to masters. I felt like I was was at the top of the food chain and was king of the world. Yet, due to kids school we felt the need to return to the west for their education.

After fair bit of struggle I got a teaching jobs at a great primary school, with high flying students, good parents, and a nice staff. In a few years I am sure that I can also move into the deputy principal role. But, my wife misses Korea and so do I. Fast times, easy money, a real urbane lifestyle compared to the quiet life in the suburbs, with steep mortgage payments and grass to mow.

I would have probably returned to Korea by now if it wasn't for the doomsday accounts posted on Dave's of the difficulties in finding work. Nor, I am really prepared to make 2.1mil and have to spend it all on international school education.

My questions--Is there still money to be made teaching ESOL in Korea?

Are people with knowledge and experience valued and still able to get back in the game?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning after all these years Reply with quote

Grim Ja wrote:
"When I was here, I wanted to be there; when I was there, all I could think of was getting back into the jungle." Willard

I first went to Korea in 1996 and stayed until 2008. During that time I moved from hagwon to university to international school to opening up my own hagwon. Also went from bachelors to teaching certification to masters. I felt like I was was at the top of the food chain and was king of the world. Yet, due to kids school we felt the need to return to the west for their education.

After fair bit of struggle I got a teaching jobs at a great primary school, with high flying students, good parents, and a nice staff. In a few years I am sure that I can also move into the deputy principal role. But, my wife misses Korea and so do I. Fast times, easy money, a real urbane lifestyle compared to the quiet life in the suburbs, with steep mortgage payments and grass to mow.

I would have probably returned to Korea by now if it wasn't for the doomsday accounts posted on Dave's of the difficulties in finding work. Nor, I am really prepared to make 2.1mil and have to spend it all on international school education.

My questions--Is there still money to be made teaching ESOL in Korea?

Are people with knowledge and experience valued and still able to get back in the game?


Short answer:

contacts/network and F2 = yes.

no network and requiring an E2 = no.
Entry level is what most are looking at on their return.

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mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen Koreans called every adjective in the book, but "urbane" is the first one in a long time that's given me a good, hard chuckle.
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Thiuda



Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are lots of opportunities for someone like yourself. If you have an F2 visa and a little in the bank to bridge the first six months, then you'll be fine. I think that someone with an MA, experience, a work ethic and a good dose of common sense can make between 4 to 6k a month without killing themselves.
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Chaucer



Joined: 20 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:27 pm    Post subject: Urban Reply with quote

mack the knife wrote:
I've seen Koreans called every adjective in the book, but "urbane" is the first one in a long time that's given me a good, hard chuckle.


I imagine OP meant "urban"...
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to agree with tompattz - you will be looking at entry-level with no F visa or contacts.

I ended up with 2.3 out of Seoul (but I didn't want to live in Seoul this time but that is an issue for many) with a CELTA, degree in English and a lot of experience. On the bright side, the work will be easy for me, as opposed to the fresh out of uni fellow working the same gig but with no experience and all, despite both getting the same pay.
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swashbuckler



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
I'd have to agree with tompattz - you will be looking at entry-level with no F visa or contacts.

I ended up with 2.3 out of Seoul (but I didn't want to live in Seoul this time but that is an issue for many) with a CELTA, degree in English and a lot of experience. On the bright side, the work will be easy for me, as opposed to the fresh out of uni fellow working the same gig but with no experience and all, despite both getting the same pay.


Just out of curiosity, is this a hagwon or public school?
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metalhead



Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet

PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swashbuckler wrote:
metalhead wrote:
I'd have to agree with tompattz - you will be looking at entry-level with no F visa or contacts.

I ended up with 2.3 out of Seoul (but I didn't want to live in Seoul this time but that is an issue for many) with a CELTA, degree in English and a lot of experience. On the bright side, the work will be easy for me, as opposed to the fresh out of uni fellow working the same gig but with no experience and all, despite both getting the same pay.


Just out of curiosity, is this a hagwon or public school?


Hagwon. I refuse to work at public schools. A lot of people like them, and it's not as risky as a hagwon, but I genuinely prefer teaching at hagwons.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based off of your post I'm surprised you didn't look into the Middle East. It sounds like you're saving up for your children's education more than anything.
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