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somethingawful
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Location: Daejeon
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Not directly related, but if you're leaving your school (on less than shining terms) for another school. . . DO NOT TELL THEM WHERE!!! I had a co-worker who had a job lined up, let slip where and what school. A few days before he left his current school the director walked to the door of his classroom. Gave him a huge/menacing grin, then walked away.
Later that evening he had an email in his inbox saying they were not hiring him. No reason. For those last two days the director made sure to always give him a big grin every class.
The worst part was he just wanted to move to a larger city and politely refused the directors offer to re-sign, stating he wanted to be closer to some of his friends. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| somethingawful wrote: |
Not directly related, but if you're leaving your school (on less than shining terms) for another school. . . DO NOT TELL THEM WHERE!!! I had a co-worker who had a job lined up, let slip where and what school. A few days before he left his current school the director walked to the door of his classroom. Gave him a huge/menacing grin, then walked away.
Later that evening he had an email in his inbox saying they were not hiring him. No reason. For those last two days the director made sure to always give him a big grin every class.
The worst part was he just wanted to move to a larger city and politely refused the directors offer to re-sign, stating he wanted to be closer to some of his friends. |
Yep - that's not uncommon. Knew someone who refused an offer from Employer One and told them they would be going with Employer Two. Employer One really wanted Potential Employee so asked them to reconsider. Potential Employee said no. Later Potential Employee found out that Employer One contacted Employer Two who was further down the food chain and brow beat them into rescinding their offer. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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If you are going to leave and NOT planning to come back, do a midnight run. So many foreigners get screwed in Korea, it's not a matter of ethics. To most Koreans, we're just something to help them line their pockets. There are no ethics in this rat race, mediocre country!
Even if you've known and worked with Koreans for years and consider them your friends, the knives in the back will start falling in a heartbeat. I've been thru a nightmare situation of my own, and over the years and have seen many others. Basically it comes down to screw them before they screw you. You are not one of them, and you will never be.
My advice, make your decision, then quietly and efficiently go about it and leave. DON'T get homesick for this place and want to come back! |
Too true. They do pretty awful things to each other so it's not just us. The last crapwon I was at, the "management" treated the receptionist like dirt and publicly blamed her to all and sundry for anything that went wrong. The one Korean teacher they had wasn't treated very well either. They kinda made him into their patsy as well. Of course, any mistakes made by the "management" such as selecting textbooks (despite having no experience choosing textbooks or designing curriculum) that were too difficult for students was shrugged off and if a student quit because of that, it was the student's fault. In a crapwon, everything is the fault of everyone but "management". |
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allovertheplace
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| This is exactly why both foreigners and koreans get a bad name. Owned visas create bad situations. Putting someone in a corner never ends well. I pulled one and wanted to tell my boss but since they owned my visa and apartment could I risk them keeping my pay? Also, for every runner the company gets 10 days free work. I figured, I screwed them but I also worked 2 weeks for free. |
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TheresaTheresa
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| This is exactly why both foreigners and koreans get a bad name. Owned visas create bad situations. Putting someone in a corner never ends well. I pulled one and wanted to tell my boss but since they owned my visa and apartment could I risk them keeping my pay? Also, for every runner the company gets 10 days free work. I figured, I screwed them but I also worked 2 weeks for free. |
Indeed. |
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cobbles
Joined: 23 Dec 2010
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Ok just to recap here (for a n00b)...the perfect midnight runner includes:
1. Waiting until your paycheck (10th of month)
2. staying completely silent about leaving
3. calling in sick on the 11th, leaving apartment key in a colleagues place
4. catching a flight out of the country or going to another school
5. contacting the school to say your not coming back
would this be right???
can one actually go to another school after doing a runner on the previous.....also an important question: The new school or next employer will ask why you left mid-contract, they may also ask for reference, what do you say in this case.
i would think something like, ""..well i was mistreated by the school. They did not stick to the contract. and did not pay me properly so i left. The manger will thus not give me a reference""....will another school accept this explanation???
thanks guys |
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olsanairbase
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| cobbles wrote: |
Ok just to recap here (for a n00b)...the perfect midnight runner includes:
1. Waiting until your paycheck (10th of month)
2. staying completely silent about leaving
3. calling in sick on the 11th, leaving apartment key in a colleagues place
4. catching a flight out of the country or going to another school
5. contacting the school to say your not coming back
would this be right???
can one actually go to another school after doing a runner on the previous.....also an important question: The new school or next employer will ask why you left mid-contract, they may also ask for reference, what do you say in this case.
i would think something like, ""..well i was mistreated by the school. They did not stick to the contract. and did not pay me properly so i left. The manger will thus not give me a reference""....will another school accept this explanation???
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No you change schools you need a new visa. So if you do plan on coming back to work elsewhere you need to work out a new contract with that new employer ahead of time and then get him to fund your midnight run for you. That includes airfare (or ferry), lodging and meals- however if its a university job you might have to fund this on your own. Either way you need to have that contract "before" you leave not worrying about working out a new contract after you come back. |
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cobbles
Joined: 23 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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ooh i didnt know you needed to get a new visa...one vis per school i assume.
Also, how would one contact the school to notify them of why you left? Would you email the day after your flight and tell them you had a family emergency at home, or would you be honest and tell them that you didnt enjoy your work and felt you weren't being treated right?
I am probably not going to do one but would like to know the steps one would take if they didn't like their work in the end. I dont like confrontation and would prefer to tell them I had a family emergency and cant come back. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| You are not a slave you are a human being. You are not a traded commodity- you have rights. All you are doing is exercising your rights. |
Agree with the first part because no ESL Teacher is a slave, not even close.
The second part is kind of funny. You are exercising your right to leave of course but by exercising that right you may be cheating others or putting others in a tough spot (co-workers, leaving unpaid bills behind (lets not pretend it never happens).
Now lets not go and wrap this up in nobility and fighting for your rights, running is a choice. Sometimes that choice is warranted as some teachers get stuck in horrible places. Many times the choice is simply about avoiding contractual obligations (airfaire issue for example).
For the Teacher who ran because he had tried other options and they did not work, you have Teacher X who ran because he missed mommy, did not like teaching and did not want to pay back the airfare the school had paid. Then there is Teacher Y who did not like his job and thought his boss was a tyrant for asking him to actually teach and then leaves in the night using the boss being tough as an excuse to avoid paying back airfare, in this process, utility companies also become culprits in his tragedy and he fails to pay his outstanding bills when he leaves because he feels justified...
Its not all black and white, not all runners are doing with justification... |
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Chaucer
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: Call in sick |
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| Shouldn't you call in sick a few of those pre-10th-payday days? And so what if you're leaving them with unpaid bills, they have 10 days of your pay to cover that. That's why crapwons instituted the payday on the 10th thing. |
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