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Adios_Corea
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| As long as they develop a robot that can teach hung over university kids, I've got no problem with it. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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If your school decides to buy one of these wonderful new robots, you could be required to train the robot just before you leave. If that happens it could lead to some awkward situations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3owLjBkEtHs |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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I find a lot of the "spirit" running through this thread, very reactionary and without the least bit of understanding of how different Korean culture is regarding the social aspects of technology and in particular robots. Especially younger kids. Watch this interview in total . It is about Japan but could just as well be talking about Korean culture and robots.
http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?videoid?713322743001
I'd also suggest that Koreans DO spend vast amounts on teachers in the classroom as well as training. Tops in the OECD. Further, having dealt with technology close up - I do know how well something like this can work. It is like so much else, dependent on the "how" not the "what".
If anyone is still truly hot under the collar about all this robot stuff - go complain to my Alice. I'm sure she'll have a lot to say and she's always sexy and available...
DD
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ddeubel wrote: |
I find a lot of the "spirit" running through this thread, very reactionary and without the least bit of understanding of how different Korean culture is regarding the social aspects of technology and in particular robots. Especially younger kids. Watch this interview in total . It is about Japan but could just as well be talking about Korean culture and robots.
http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?videoid?713322743001
I'd also suggest that Koreans DO spend vast amounts on teachers in the classroom as well as training. Tops in the OECD. Further, having dealt with technology close up - I do know how well something like this can work. It is like so much else, dependent on the "how" not the "what".
If anyone is still truly hot under the collar about all this robot stuff - go complain to my Alice. I'm sure she'll have a lot to say and she's always sexy and available...
DD
http://eflclassroom.com |
I understand your points. But, these robots are NOT being touted as a new multimedia tool for learning. They're being sold to schools as REPLACEMENTS for flesh and blood teachers. Big difference. A lot more goes into teaching than just standing in front of a classroom. Add in the fact that a white face is shown while a speaker from the Phillipines is doing the talking, well, that makes it kinda creepy. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| They're being sold to schools as REPLACEMENTS for flesh and blood teachers. |
Where does it say robots will completely replace teachers? Pointing to a corner doesn't mean the whole floor is the same.
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| in a pilot project designed to nurture the nascent robot industry |
Doesn't say anything about replacing.
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| reading books to them and dancing to music by moving their head and arms |
REALLY? This is going to replace native speaking English teachers? (disclaimer: I am ONLY pointing this out, I don't necessarily want to dance in front of students)
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| She stressed the experiment was not about replacing human teachers with robots. |
I'll stop here. You get your facts straight, then we'll talk more. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| They're being sold to schools as REPLACEMENTS for flesh and blood teachers. |
Where does it say robots will completely replace teachers? Pointing to a corner doesn't mean the whole floor is the same.
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| in a pilot project designed to nurture the nascent robot industry |
Doesn't say anything about replacing.
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| reading books to them and dancing to music by moving their head and arms |
REALLY? This is going to replace native speaking English teachers? (disclaimer: I am ONLY pointing this out, I don't necessarily want to dance in front of students)
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| She stressed the experiment was not about replacing human teachers with robots. |
I'll stop here. You get your facts straight, then we'll talk more. |
"Plus, they won't complain about health insurance, sick leave and severance package, or leave in three months for a better-paying job in Japan... all you need is a repair and upgrade every once in a while."
Why bother saying this then? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:42 am Post subject: |
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"Plus, they won't complain about health insurance, sick leave and severance package, or leave in three months for a better-paying job in Japan... all you need is a repair and upgrade every once in a while."
Why bother saying this then? |
They'll try to replace NETs with them, which are clearly not "human teachers".
But I'm a little lost on the point. Are the Filipino teachers that control the robots considered native speakers of English? If not, why not hire Korean English teachers? If so, then why not accept Filipino NETs? Or should I guess based on the robot's face... |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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"Plus, they won't complain about health insurance, sick leave and severance package, or leave in three months for a better-paying job in Japan... all you need is a repair and upgrade every once in a while."
Why bother saying this then? |
They'll try to replace NETs with them, which are clearly not "human teachers".
But I'm a little lost on the point. Are the Filipino teachers that control the robots considered native speakers of English? If not, why not hire Korean English teachers? If so, then why not accept Filipino NETs? Or should I guess based on the robot's face... |
Ah, but they are hiring hundreds of KETs. Gyeonggi province is currently in the process of hiring hundreds of "part time" Korean English "teachers". They will not be required to have teaching licenses. Instead the first stage of the application process goes according to a point system. They will get points for having a degree, having a TESL certificate, having an advanced degree, living abroad in an English speaking country, etc...They are projected to hire around 500 teachers. So the top 750 will be accepted through the first stage. Then they will weed out 250 more through interviews and teaching demos.
These "teachers" will only teach a maximum of 22 hours per week, but will be required to be in the school from 9-5. Doesn't that sound familiar???
I know this because my wife is in the application process right now. My coteacher forwarded me the info that she received from the district office. She knew that my wife was a former hagwon instructor and is now looking for work since we just got back to Korea. My wife really doesn't want to work at a hagwon anywhere because she doesn't want to deal with their ridiculous management styles and shady business practices (including late payment, being forced to work extra hours without OT, making breaches of contract, etc...) Doesn't that sound familiar too?! |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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"Plus, they won't complain about health insurance, sick leave and severance package, or leave in three months for a better-paying job in Japan... all you need is a repair and upgrade every once in a while."
Definitely a telling line in this article.
The trend is here people: SK is moving away from its dependence on foreign teachers. |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Ah, but they are hiring hundreds of KETs. Gyeonggi province is currently in the process of hiring hundreds of "part time" Korean English "teachers". |
This is, of course, at the same time that they have cut the number of full-time fully-licensed KETs that will be hired in the next intake. 35 jobs have gone in Seoul alone. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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If anyone is still truly hot under the collar about all this robot stuff - go complain to my Alice. |
Well, if the Robots are as good as Alice, then all our jobs are safe!
Here's our brief conversation:
Human: Hello
ALICE: Hi there!
Human: You like nice today!
ALICE: Ah. I like Kraftwerk.
Human: lol
ALICE: I'm glad you find this amusing.
Human: I told you look nice and you tell me you like Kraftwerk!
ALICE: I remember you told me look nice and me tell you me like Kraftwerk?
* Obviously I made a typo but the bot was unable to detect it. And it merely re-enforced the error. Plus I used two different tenses and this was not corrected either. Instead, a garbled mess of a sentence got spat out.
Let's hope these Korean bots do a better job. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Robots |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
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| All Koreans understand is that natives get results. |
Really? I'm native and I'm not sure I believe that natives get results. |
The evidence certainly suggests otherwise.  |
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infogoddess
Joined: 30 Oct 2009
Location: Yeongyang
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