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olsanairbase
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 Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:59 pm Post subject: Merit Based Pay and Tenure |
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If you could get paid based on how well your students did on standardized tests would you be willing to go for merit pay over monthly pay?
Also, if it meant to work at your school for 3 years would you do it so you could get tenure at that school?
And would you join a teachers union if you could knowing that it would fight for better rights for you as a teacher? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Merit Based Pay and Tenure |
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| olsanairbase wrote: |
If you could get paid based on how well your students did on standardized tests would you be willing to go for merit pay over monthly pay?
Also, if it meant to work at your school for 3 years would you do it so you could get tenure at that school?
And would you join a teachers union if you could knowing that it would fight for better rights for you as a teacher? |
Korea is not a meritocracy so (a) wouldn't work here.
Tenure is not possible due to immigration rules (actually forbidden on an E2). Hard to get tenure when you are limited to 1 year contracts and 1 year allowed periods of sojourn.
It is illegal for E2 holders to actively unionize, take part in union activities or take part in a teachers union - this has been done to death by many.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Merit Based Pay and Tenure |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| olsanairbase wrote: |
If you could get paid based on how well your students did on standardized tests would you be willing to go for merit pay over monthly pay?
Also, if it meant to work at your school for 3 years would you do it so you could get tenure at that school?
And would you join a teachers union if you could knowing that it would fight for better rights for you as a teacher? |
Korea is not a meritocracy so (a) wouldn't work here.
Tenure is not possible due to immigration rules (actually forbidden on an E2). Hard to get tenure when you are limited to 1 year contracts and 1 year allowed periods of sojourn.
It is illegal for E2 holders to actively unionize, take part in union activities or take part in a teachers union - this has been done to death by many.
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Jason Thomas (a poster on this forum) was able to join the KTU on an E-2. Both Yonhap and The Korea Herald ran articles on that.
http://www.gelken.com/2007_05_01_archive.html
Also there have been at least two teacher unions set up in the past. (No, neither was the tower of jelly aka ATEK.) See the link below for the story on that.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/12/117_56894.html |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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It would be nice if they built meritocratic provisions into employment laws for foreigners.
I wouldn't want pay to be based on test scores alone, but some incentive to develop professionally and contribute to a school would be welcome.
It might actually improve the quality of instruction as well. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Skyblue wrote: |
It would be nice if they built meritocratic provisions into employment laws for foreigners.
I wouldn't want pay to be based on test scores alone, but some incentive to develop professionally and contribute to a school would be welcome.
It might actually improve the quality of instruction as well. |
(bolding mine)
They have that in GEPIK and EPIK contracts. When the contract is renewed they state that you can get a pay increase which is not automatic but may be granted "according to Employee's teaching performance and contributions made towards [GEPIK/EPIK's] teaching goals" |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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From 2.1 to a max of 2.2 or 2.3 million, or what?  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Skyblue wrote: |
| From 2.1 to a max of 2.2 or 2.3 million, or what? |
To a max of 2.7 (2.8 in Chungnam Province) million. But that's not the point. There is incentive and it is at an acceptable level for an entry-level job which this is. |
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Skyblue
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Skyblue wrote: |
| From 2.1 to a max of 2.2 or 2.3 million, or what? |
To a max of 2.7 (2.8 in Chungnam Province) million. But that's not the point. There is incentive and it is at an acceptable level for an entry-level job which this is. |
OK, I'd agree with that. |
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olsanairbase
Joined: 30 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Skyblue wrote: |
It would be nice if they built meritocratic provisions into employment laws for foreigners.
I wouldn't want pay to be based on test scores alone, but some incentive to develop professionally and contribute to a school would be welcome.
It might actually improve the quality of instruction as well. |
(bolding mine)
They have that in GEPIK and EPIK contracts. When the contract is renewed they state that you can get a pay increase which is not automatic but may be granted "according to Employee's teaching performance and contributions made towards [GEPIK/EPIK's] teaching goals" |
Towards teaching goals is way too vague. There would need to be some kind of determination made based on the performance of the students not whether or not someone met the goals of the program.
Teaching kids to clap does just that- teaches them to clap alot. It looks good but it does NOTHING to guarantee they are making improvements |
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