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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| kim would get spanked by gsp. gsp is on another level plus kim might not ever get the chance to fight gsp since gsp is probably moving up to MW after his fight with jake shields. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Nate Diaz is a good fighter but he's not even ranked in the top ten welterweights so beating him does not mean you are close to a title shot. That was only Kim's second main card fight, he got beat by Karo in his first one (ruled NC later because Karo was on illegal painkillers).
Kim would have to win at least one more fight against a mid-ranked guy before even getting a fight with one of the top contenders in the WW division like Kampmann, Shields, Fitch, Koscheck, Alves, Condit, Hardy, Penn, etc. He will have to beat at least one of those guys to even be considered for a title shot.
I'm a fan of the Stun Gun, but he has a lot more work to do before he should even start thinking about fighting GSP. |
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ekimswish
Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
Nate Diaz is a good fighter but he's not even ranked in the top ten welterweights so beating him does not mean you are close to a title shot. That was only Kim's second main card fight, he got beat by Karo in his first one (ruled NC later because Karo was on illegal painkillers).
Kim would have to win at least one more fight against a mid-ranked guy before even getting a fight with one of the top contenders in the WW division like Kampmann, Shields, Fitch, Koscheck, Alves, Condit, Hardy, Penn, etc. He will have to beat at least one of those guys to even be considered for a title shot.
I'm a fan of the Stun Gun, but he has a lot more work to do before he should even start thinking about fighting GSP. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Needs at least two more fights against someone with a name. Plus better striking, better striking defense, better submissions, and A LOT BETTER cardio.
Don't jump the gun, Stun. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5979989
I always cheered for Kim Dong Hyun, but the guy is a lifetime away from a fight with GSP or even winning it. For him to call out GSP is as dumb as the half Korean/Japanese guy (Sexiyama) to complain about Chris Leben being a no-name fighter (and then lose to him).
Korean fighters are good, but they need to get a clue when it comes to their place in the American MMA food chain. Beat someone who's at least challenged GSP before you call him out, Stun Gun.
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Are you new to the sport? This is pretty normal in MMA. Or are you just mad because he's Korean? |
Lol... not new and not an old timer... and I'm not mad because he's Korean. I'm mad because he's not doing his homework, thus making Koreans look bad, where I've always been proud of him for making Koreans look good... until his comments. (so I guess it could be because he's Korean, but in the way you're interpreting it.)
Sure it's normal. And it's stupid. I just had higher hopes for this kid. Disappointed is all. |
The sport still has a popularity contest aspect to it. Guys like Randy Couture can get title shots when coming off a loss while other guys get put on the back burner. Kim probably just waants to get people talking about him. Looks like it worked.  |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:01 am Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5979989
I always cheered for Kim Dong Hyun, but the guy is a lifetime away from a fight with GSP or even winning it. For him to call out GSP is as dumb as the half Korean/Japanese guy (Sexiyama) to complain about Chris Leben being a no-name fighter (and then lose to him).
Korean fighters are good, but they need to get a clue when it comes to their place in the American MMA food chain. Beat someone who's at least challenged GSP before you call him out, Stun Gun.
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Are you new to the sport? This is pretty normal in MMA. Or are you just mad because he's Korean? |
Lol... not new and not an old timer... and I'm not mad because he's Korean. I'm mad because he's not doing his homework, thus making Koreans look bad, where I've always been proud of him for making Koreans look good... until his comments. (so I guess it could be because he's Korean, but in the way you're interpreting it.)
Sure it's normal. And it's stupid. I just had higher hopes for this kid. Disappointed is all. |
The sport still has a popularity contest aspect to it. Guys like Randy Couture can get title shots when coming off a loss while other guys get put on the back burner. Kim probably just waants to get people talking about him. Looks like it worked. |
when did couture get a title shot after coming off a loss? |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| machoman wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5979989
I always cheered for Kim Dong Hyun, but the guy is a lifetime away from a fight with GSP or even winning it. For him to call out GSP is as dumb as the half Korean/Japanese guy (Sexiyama) to complain about Chris Leben being a no-name fighter (and then lose to him).
Korean fighters are good, but they need to get a clue when it comes to their place in the American MMA food chain. Beat someone who's at least challenged GSP before you call him out, Stun Gun.
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Are you new to the sport? This is pretty normal in MMA. Or are you just mad because he's Korean? |
Lol... not new and not an old timer... and I'm not mad because he's Korean. I'm mad because he's not doing his homework, thus making Koreans look bad, where I've always been proud of him for making Koreans look good... until his comments. (so I guess it could be because he's Korean, but in the way you're interpreting it.)
Sure it's normal. And it's stupid. I just had higher hopes for this kid. Disappointed is all. |
The sport still has a popularity contest aspect to it. Guys like Randy Couture can get title shots when coming off a loss while other guys get put on the back burner. Kim probably just waants to get people talking about him. Looks like it worked. |
when did couture get a title shot after coming off a loss? |
After he lost to The Iceman. BJ Penn got a title shot after a loss too. |
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happninmojo
Joined: 09 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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American Food Chain? Isn't the UFC an international food chain?
It's fighters are from all over the globe, of course Americans are on top but "technically" it's being led by BRAZIL. Not to turn this into a "this country" is > "that country".
Current UFC champs:
HW: Cain Velasquez (USA)
LHW:Mauricio Rua (BRA)
MW:Anderson Silva (BRA)
WW:Georges St. Pierre (CAN)
LW: Frankie Edgar (USA)
FW:Jose Aldo (BRA)
Regarding pound for pound best fighters...I can't think of any Americans who could make the top three or five...at the moment...
SILVA,GSP,FEDOR.... aint American. |
Edgar, Penn, and Velasquez have claims to pound for pound. Fedor has lost alot of luster, shame Vadim has tarnished his legacy. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| rumdiary wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5979989
I always cheered for Kim Dong Hyun, but the guy is a lifetime away from a fight with GSP or even winning it. For him to call out GSP is as dumb as the half Korean/Japanese guy (Sexiyama) to complain about Chris Leben being a no-name fighter (and then lose to him).
Korean fighters are good, but they need to get a clue when it comes to their place in the American MMA food chain. Beat someone who's at least challenged GSP before you call him out, Stun Gun.
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Are you new to the sport? This is pretty normal in MMA. Or are you just mad because he's Korean? |
Lol... not new and not an old timer... and I'm not mad because he's Korean. I'm mad because he's not doing his homework, thus making Koreans look bad, where I've always been proud of him for making Koreans look good... until his comments. (so I guess it could be because he's Korean, but in the way you're interpreting it.)
Sure it's normal. And it's stupid. I just had higher hopes for this kid. Disappointed is all. |
The sport still has a popularity contest aspect to it. Guys like Randy Couture can get title shots when coming off a loss while other guys get put on the back burner. Kim probably just waants to get people talking about him. Looks like it worked. |
when did couture get a title shot after coming off a loss? |
After he lost to The Iceman. BJ Penn got a title shot after a loss too. |
ur talking about losing to chuck liddell as a light heavyweight and then getting a shot for the heavyweight belt?
i think randy and bj get a free pass because they're fighting at different weight classes. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| machoman wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
| rumdiary wrote: |
| ekimswish wrote: |
http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=5979989
I always cheered for Kim Dong Hyun, but the guy is a lifetime away from a fight with GSP or even winning it. For him to call out GSP is as dumb as the half Korean/Japanese guy (Sexiyama) to complain about Chris Leben being a no-name fighter (and then lose to him).
Korean fighters are good, but they need to get a clue when it comes to their place in the American MMA food chain. Beat someone who's at least challenged GSP before you call him out, Stun Gun.
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Are you new to the sport? This is pretty normal in MMA. Or are you just mad because he's Korean? |
Lol... not new and not an old timer... and I'm not mad because he's Korean. I'm mad because he's not doing his homework, thus making Koreans look bad, where I've always been proud of him for making Koreans look good... until his comments. (so I guess it could be because he's Korean, but in the way you're interpreting it.)
Sure it's normal. And it's stupid. I just had higher hopes for this kid. Disappointed is all. |
The sport still has a popularity contest aspect to it. Guys like Randy Couture can get title shots when coming off a loss while other guys get put on the back burner. Kim probably just waants to get people talking about him. Looks like it worked. |
when did couture get a title shot after coming off a loss? |
After he lost to The Iceman. BJ Penn got a title shot after a loss too. |
ur talking about losing to chuck liddell as a light heavyweight and then getting a shot for the heavyweight belt?
i think randy and bj get a free pass because they're fighting at different weight classes. |
So a fighter can lose two fights in a row and then switch weight classes and deserve a title shot? You don't think it has something to do with both of them being very popular? What about Belfort? He had a few wins in smaller organizations and now he has a title fight after only one fight back in the UFC. Lesnar got a title shot after only one win (and only his fourth fight). I don't think Kim is ready for GSP and I'm sure he knows it. He just doesn't want to end up like dos Santos or Okami who sat around waiting a lot longer than other guys have. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| So a fighter can lose two fights in a row and then switch weight classes and deserve a title shot? You don't think it has something to do with both of them being very popular? What about Belfort? He had a few wins in smaller organizations and now he has a title fight after only one fight back in the UFC. Lesnar got a title shot after only one win (and only his fourth fight). I don't think Kim is ready for GSP and I'm sure he knows it. He just doesn't want to end up like dos Santos or Okami who sat around waiting a lot longer than other guys have. |
i'm looking at randy's record on sherdog.com and he didn't lose two fights in a row. he lost to liddel once at LHW, then beat mike van arsdale at LHW and lost again to liddel. THEN he fought tim sylvia at HW.
up until that point, randy was fighting as a LHW for quite a few years. then he stepped up to fight tim sylvia for the HW belt.
if he was fighting at HW, lost two bouts, then got a title shot, that would be ridiculous. but i do think if you're fighting in one weight class, your record from that weight class shouldn't effect your rankings/title shot contention in another.
take penn for example, he was wiping out the LW division for years, but couldn't do the same in WW.
the same fighter in two different weight classes should be seen as two different fighters, imo.
and back to stun gun, maybe it's a publicity stunt to put his name in the mix. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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| So a fighter can lose two fights in a row and then switch weight classes and deserve a title shot? You don't think it has something to do with both of them being very popular? What about Belfort? He had a few wins in smaller organizations and now he has a title fight after only one fight back in the UFC. Lesnar got a title shot after only one win (and only his fourth fight). I don't think Kim is ready for GSP and I'm sure he knows it. He just doesn't want to end up like dos Santos or Okami who sat around waiting a lot longer than other guys have. |
i'm looking at randy's record on sherdog.com and he didn't lose two fights in a row. he lost to liddel once at LHW, then beat mike van arsdale at LHW and lost again to liddel. THEN he fought tim sylvia at HW. I was talking about Penn.up until that point, randy was fighting as a LHW for quite a few years. then he stepped up to fight tim sylvia for the HW belt. And thats bullshit. He went 1-2 and then automatically gets a title shot because he switches weight classes. He lost. Retired. Then he asked for a title shot and got it.if he was fighting at HW, lost two bouts, then got a title shot, that would be ridiculous. but i do think if you're fighting in one weight class, your record from that weight class shouldn't effect your rankings/title shot contention in another.
take penn for example, he was wiping out the LW division for years, but couldn't do the same in WW. Not really true. Most of Penn's early fights when he was wiping up the floor were at WW. He left the UFC as WW champ after beating Hughes and fought at higher weight classes. When he came back to the UFC he lost twice and then decided to drop down to LW.
the same fighter in two different weight classes should be seen as two different fighters, imo. So if Forrest Griffin put on 50 pounds he would deserve a shot at the HW title?
and back to stun gun, maybe it's a publicity stunt to put his name in the mix.BINGO |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: UFC: KIM wants GSP |
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up until that point, randy was fighting as a LHW for quite a few years. then he stepped up to fight tim sylvia for the HW belt. And thats bullshit. He went 1-2 and then automatically gets a title shot because he switches weight classes. He lost. Retired. Then he asked for a title shot and got it.if he was fighting at HW, lost two bouts, then got a title shot, that would be ridiculous. |
Ok, but Randy WON that title shot and defended it against the next challenger, so in retrospect obviously he deserved it...
Being a former champ and fan favorite does indeed make it easier for you to get a title shot. And BJ Penn and Randy Couture are the only guys to win the belt in both weight classes. The matchmakers just don't base the fights they get off only the results of their last 2-3 fights. |
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rumdiary
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not debating whether or not they deserved a title shot. All I'm saying is that a fighters popularity is as important as their record. A popular fighter can get a title shot after only one or two wins while many other worthy fighters have to work much longer and harder to get one. Kim isn't expecting the next shot but by keeping people talking about him he will become more popular. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not debating whether or not they deserved a title shot. All I'm saying is that a fighters popularity is as important as their record. A popular fighter can get a title shot after only one or two wins while many other worthy fighters have to work much longer and harder to get one. Kim isn't expecting the next shot but by keeping people talking about him he will become more popular. |
Well, yeah, otherwise how do you explain Brock Lesnar getting a title shot with a 2-1 record in MMA and a 1-1 record in the UFC? |
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