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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:18 am    Post subject: Re: drunk? Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
what come to school one hour early for no pay? Screw you! do marking on your own time for no pay? Screw you!

Teachers who continually lie down for this crap make it harder for the rest of us. You want me there one hour before class starts for prep? Pay me for it you cheat sack of dogshyt!

i am tired of hearing the bleeding hearts say we have to suck it up a bit for the measly amount we are payed for the work we do.

The amount of crap we as English teachers put up with should qualify us for a purple heart or medal of honor not the crap I hear on this post. You want people to work an extra hour pay them you cheap MF!

Nuff said


I am kind of curious where you work?

Hakwon? Do you consider yourself a REAL teacher, or just a seat warming entertainer/babysitter? If it is the former, a REAL teacher isn't in the game for the money. If they are, they at least have a sense of responsibility to know that a SALARY means just that.

Highschool/middleschool? I hope they fire you.

University? I hope they fire you.

You sound like someone who is ONLY here for the cash. I personally despise people who are ONLY in Korea for the cash and complain they have to do xxx "extra" work, such as PREP or MARKING.
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier...and THAT is why i have some measure of pity for him.
BUT, i'm not sure if it's just being drunk.

Not only that but it's not as if this guy is unable is fully incapable of simple change. If he made some simple changes in his life, he probably could find SOME measure of serenity. He's gotta admit to some stuff...he's gotta loosen his tie (if possible) and he has to get someone to beat the shit out of him when he's sober, first verbally, then physically, then to take him under their wing to make sure he doesn't kill himself.

I appreciate your responses rapier, and you could be pretty right. But my impression of this guy is that he's been at it (EXACTLY like this) for the last 20-30 years of his 42 year old life.

Also, when it comes to him having 'little going for him" is that HE'S is the cause of it ALL!!! And it's not like..."ability" b/c i figure he COULD be a good teacher...he's dedicated enough...he's just socially so malajusted that the profession would weed him out too quick..

Lastly, he told a kid today in school that he wanted to kill him.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you said before, he's leaving soon anyway... but I guess its hard to put up with until then... very hard. I mean do you choose the path of confrontation and argument every day in order to stick up for yourself, or do you try to calm it all down by remaining indifferent, passive, calm...its hard to know.
As you say, it sounds like the alcohol has an awful lot to do with it...the guy is clearly on a self- destructive course. Not everybody wants to improve their lives or help themselves, some people are too bitter for any light to permeate the darkness..
if you got hold of him sober and told him exactly what you thought about him, in a genuine way,he may react with a totally uncaring dismissal, he might get angry. Alternatively he could welcome someones interest in his life and the way he is... at a guess though, he'd probably chew you out.
Just hang in... it'll be over soon. Don't lose your severance pay over it.
Unfortunately in life, as they say,"there's always one."
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sparkx



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what come to school one hour early for no pay? Screw you! do marking on your own time for no pay? Screw you!

Teachers who continually lie down for this crap make it harder for the rest of us. You want me there one hour before class starts for prep? Pay me for it you cheat sack of dogshyt!

i am tired of hearing the bleeding hearts say we have to suck it up a bit for the measly amount we are payed for the work we do.

The amount of crap we as English teachers put up with should qualify us for a purple heart or medal of honor not the crap I hear on this post. You want people to work an extra hour pay them you cheap MF!

Nuff said


You're a fricken martyr pal..Ya, getting paid and paid well to simply speak your own language in a foreign country is right up there with fighting fires and neurological surgery.
You need a serious reality check son...give it a shake
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Falstaff



Joined: 14 Jan 2004
Location: Ansan

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: drunk? Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
what come to school one hour early for no pay? Screw you! do marking on your own time for no pay? Screw you!

Teachers who continually lie down for this crap make it harder for the rest of us. You want me there one hour before class starts for prep? Pay me for it you cheat sack of dogshyt!

i am tired of hearing the bleeding hearts say we have to suck it up a bit for the measly amount we are payed for the work we do.

The amount of crap we as English teachers put up with should qualify us for a purple heart or medal of honor not the crap I hear on this post. You want people to work an extra hour pay them you cheap MF!

Nuff said


Holy frozen crap on a stick! Are you serious man? Do you occupy the same reality as the rest of the world?

At any salaried job, I repeat any salaried job, you sometimes have to do stuff on your own time. Teaching in Korea is no different than teaching anywhere else in the world in that respect. Hell, it's not different than working in the corporate world. And before Real Reality or some other wisenheimer points out the differences between how Korean teachers and foreign teachers are treated, I know that. But when it comes to doing work other than just teaching kids (grading papers, face time, etc.), that's a part of teaching. I have to put in face time at my job, and I'm in the United States and a member of a teaching union!

Paid extra to mark papers??? Are you f-ing serious? It's a part of the damn job. How f-ing lazy can you be? Damn, do you want to be paid extra for having to write on the board? Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket! You mean your boss actually expects you to prepare for class? What an ogre! Let's string his no good, cheapskate ass up on a string! I'm not saying he should be up for citizen of the year, or that he's even a good guy, but if the biggest complaint you have about him is that expects you to be prepared and grade papers, then I'll trade jobs with you any day of the week.

Bleeding heart? Come to me when you are asked to clean toilets, or change diapers, or teach 8+ hours a day with no overtime, or some other outrageous request. Until then, grow a pair and act like an adult.

Holy christ!
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:31 am    Post subject: a drunk? nooooo! Reply with quote

a drunk english teacher in Korea?????/ what are the odds????? most of the people over here are alcoholic drunks slurping back soju and beer. I have been in contact with over 200 teachers and they are all drunks...they are here to suck back alcohol and speak a bit.

Not that I am any better but the truth is the truth
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He has made "off color jokes"/threats about killing us while we sleep if the school doesn't make the situation better for him.


The solution:

shoot.
shovel.
shut up.




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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: a drunk? nooooo! Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
I have been in contact with over 200 teachers and they are all drunks...they are here to suck back alcohol and speak a bit.

Not that I am any better but the truth is the truth

Sure, I've seen my fair share of alcoholics in Korea, but I read your post and I think that either you're exaggerating or you're definitely hanging out with the wrong crowd....
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scarneck



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this cat still around? Can't believe you haven't taken him out back behind the woodshed. Is it possible to find another replacement for him then get him canned? I think you put up with too much crap...you must have alot of patience...No one takes his off the wall threats serious? ...take him hiking and give him a boot...
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: a drunk? nooooo! Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
a drunk english teacher in Korea?????/ what are the odds????? most of the people over here are alcoholic drunks slurping back soju and beer. I have been in contact with over 200 teachers and they are all drunks...they are here to suck back alcohol and speak a bit.

Not that I am any better but the truth is the truth


Funny because every teacher I know (and those I have worked with in the past) doesn't have a problem with alcohol. Myself, I haven't been drunk in a long time. I'd be lucky to state I get drunk once per year, as it is more like once everycouple years.

You know over 200 teachers and still think you shouldn't get paid for prep?

Perhaps you are an alcoholic yourself?
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way the boss will move him to alternative accomodation is if you bring things to a head...fight the guy, or refuse to work alongside him...Korean directors will happily house their teachers with known criminals and axe murderers without batting an eyelid.
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khyber



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it's just one more week now. The school (and him) decided that next week will be his last. "He managed, by his own strength" to stay the course for a whole month.
I think "Holy SHEET! do we have different students."

HE's still around but now i have to deal with the fact that a)he would rather commit suicide than work in korea b) he needs money and given the choice, (as opposed to working in a "good" place) would chose korea simply b/c of the cash...

last night was weird; of all the people in our house and school, i am the only one who he, sooooort of, apologizes to. I think it's interesting, and it's sort of the second time he has apologized to me, but his regret isn't so powerful that it causes change.

it's true that no one takes his threats "overly" seriously, buit the PROIBLEM is that he doesn't create an atmosphere of "trust" where those threats wouldn't be considered more than a joke. But the frequency of it, his attitude towards everything+unpredictability+the booze+the messed up brain=a bunch of scared people.

I can wait one more week. Horay...

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You know over 200 teachers and still think you shouldn't get paid for prep?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!

Grotto is doing such a shitttty job of trolling it hurts to think that he would be over here
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've been at all passive or nice to him, simply in order to avoid problems, he will have assumed you are his lifelong buddy...
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:25 pm    Post subject: work Reply with quote

alright maybe I was a bit hammered when I wrote the last couple replies.

My problem stems from the hagwon increasing my duties, changing the schedule 1/2 way through the contract.(an increase of 4.5 hours a week) and still saying that I am working less than 30 hours a week.

I usually show up 1/2 an hour before class starts so I can prepare for the day. I dont ask to be paid for the hour a day I contribute to be a better teacher and ensure my students actually learn something. It is just when the hogwan keeps nickling and diming you to death it gets very frustrating.

I believe that when a contract states a set amount of hours and you exceed those hours you should be compensated for them. Not for the time you volunteer but the mandatory time that they set for you. An increase of 4.5 hours a week is a considerable chunk of time. I hope you will note that I never once compained or bytched for the the first 6 months of the contract...everything was acceptable if not fine.

Nuff said. I was in Suwon last year and a vast majority of the English teacher community were hard drinkers and partiers...I also knew several people who didnt drink at all. But I have seen alot of alcoholics out here people who drink every day....a bottle or two of wine, 5 or 6 beers, 2 or 3 bottles of soju....I would have to say that these people have drinking problems.

Walk a mile in my shoes before you condemn me!
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sparkx



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com

PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grotto wrote:
most of the people over here are alcoholic drunks slurping back soju and beer. I have been in contact with over 200 teachers and they are all drunks...they are here to suck back alcohol and speak a bit.


&

grotto wrote:
alright maybe I was a bit hammered when I wrote the last couple replies


I don't even need to say anything but:

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