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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Guys, get a room. |
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dongjak
Joined: 30 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Preferably a room with an anger management professional for at least one of these guys. |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| dongjak wrote: |
Preferably a room with an anger management professional for at least one of these guys. |
I did happen to see pyschiatrist once about my anger managment issues and when I was done he said 'send in Jwhite please'
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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It has nothing to do with 'some NET's have the winter holidays off and some don't blah blah blah' Like anyone listens to us! That is a joke! The reason they do it is all about control.
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Except that is what happened. Denying reality doesn't change it.
And the reality is that until some NETS complained, there were a number of NETS who had no/minimal camp/deskwarming duties. |
I never got the memo stating that was the reason, I am not saying that wasn't the reason though, you know as well as I do that the various POE's have been turning the screw on our benefits over these past few years so it probably (in my opinion) would have gone anyway whatever anyone says.
Peace out TUM.  |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| wiganer wrote: |
| dongjak wrote: |
Preferably a room with an anger management professional for at least one of these guys. |
I did happen to see pyschiatrist once about my anger managment issues and when I was done he said 'send in Jwhite please'
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I guess he prescribed the same cure. Just go on eslcafe and belittle one another! Haha! |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Managers/employers tend not to do things like give extra vacation days just because there's nothing to do. Usually they can find something for you to do (I want your revised lesson plan on my desk tomorrow). |
To me, this is the crux of the matter. Instead of being thankful for having a relaxing and stress-free, but at the same time, fully-paid day at work, the OP and some others are complaining that they have to come in at all. And they can't understand why old-timers don't empathize with them.
The answer is because most of us learned many moons ago, in our very first jobs, even if it was a part-time after high school job washing dishes, this old adage:" If you have time to lean, you have time to clean". I'd venture to say that 99% of all employers have that same mindset!
So no, getting paid to surf the net does not bother me a bit. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Is there a source on the fact that desk warming was yanked because of NET complaining?
Until I see one, I'm going to go with the assumption that things still vary from workplace to workplace and your relationship with your co-teacher and principal. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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i skipped 6 pages after page 1, too much bitching....
to the OP, desk warming sucks whether or not it's in your contract. it's ridiculous. i'd rather have them make me wash dishes or mop floors. seriously.
last year, i was sick so i took 2 sick days off. a co-teacher approached me and told me the other co teachers were upset that i took 2 days off in a row. then she told me another teacher is sick but she still comes to work.. i told them ok, but i'm sick and i'm within my boundaries to take up to 7 days worth of sick days off. they told me "next time you're sick, you should come into work, then we'll let you go home early." ridiculous.
this year, i had a really really bad flu. 1 whole week, that's SEVEN days of having a 39-40 degree fever. literally, SEVEN days of feeling like utter crap. i went to the doctors twice in a week. they saw the doctors notes, the saw the multiple pills and syrup i had to take, and they let me desk warm for 3 days before they said "you should go home early and take a rest." ridiculous. it just doesn't make sense. and those 3 days when i was desk warming, i was in the nurses office passed out on meds, coughing up my lungs. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| ^^^^machoman, granted, being made to go into work when you are that sick just because school is in session is pretty bad , but how does that relate to desk warming when you are healthy? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:14 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with machoman that I'd enjoy some sort of physical labor instead of deskwarming. As long as it wasn't pointless drudgery. Something like building or repairing or moving stuff.
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| The answer is because most of us learned many moons ago, in our very first jobs, even if it was a part-time after high school job washing dishes, this old adage:" If you have time to lean, you have time to clean". I'd venture to say that 99% of all employers have that same mindset! |
Yeah, there's always something that can be done. Sure after you've done a lot of work and there's a pause in the action its time for smokes, a crossword, and ordering delivery. But if you're coming in and its dead, get scrubbing or box-folding. Take down the drop panels and clean em, or scrub down the top oven conveyor. Fix the gasket on the walk-in cooler.
Nothing sucks more than coming into work and being sent home after 45 minutes because there's nothing to do and walking home with 6 bucks in wages. Unless its Friday night and you're not working for tips. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| ^^^^machoman, granted, being made to go into work when you are that sick just because school is in session is pretty bad , but how does that relate to desk warming when you are healthy? |
when i'm healthy, i'm pretty unproductive at the school office. i'm just simply uninspired to write lessons. i'm a night owl, my best ideas come at night. plus, this is my 4th year of teaching middle school. i have enough games and lessons. sure, i can strive to be teacher of the year and re-write lessons, tweak lessons, study economics, philosophy, blah blah blah, but eh, when i'm wearing two jackets over a sweater and a shirt and wearing my scarf and hat because the school does't want to waste too much energy heating a room with only 3 teachers in it, i am not very inspired to write the best lessons.
the thing is, the VP is okay with letting us take naps the whole day, so why not just let us stay home? sometimes i think it's just bureaucratic bs. two of my co teachers haven't gotten their teaching license so they have different contracts than regular teachers. they have bs rules too, like they have to show up every other saturday even though there's no class and they do nothing except watch dvds. they have the same gripes as i do, but they just suck it up because it's the korean way- so they say.
ultimately, it's up to your vice principal and principal. my co teachers get paid 1.8 mil a month and they were PISSED about coming to school on saturdays so they didn't even show up. the VP was pissed and had a meeting with the principal and they eventually decided to let my co teachers stay home after a long, annoying feud between my co teachers and the VP.
this is why i think it's ridiculous, because it's your school's call whether or not you have to desk warm. there's no real valid reason to have teachers sit at their desk with the option to do nothing. it's one thing if they assigned us work that we had to complete, but if we have the option to do NOTHING, then, just let us stay home.
last year, i desk warmed and was the ONLY Person in the office. no one even knew i was there and the heater wasn't even turned on. it's ridiculous. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| machoman wrote: |
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| ^^^^machoman, granted, being made to go into work when you are that sick just because school is in session is pretty bad , but how does that relate to desk warming when you are healthy? |
last year, i desk warmed and was the ONLY Person in the office. no one even knew i was there and the heater wasn't even turned on. it's ridiculous. |
Right, I get the rottenness of being made to come in when you are deathly sick, and I get the view that it is senseless to desk warm when school is not in session. I just don't see how the two are related.
Anyway, I asked this question before-how many days of desk warming are we talking about? And this one too-if you had the option of taking desk-warming days off, unpaid, would you take them up on it? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:20 am Post subject: |
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To the OP's original question,
What happens if you just don't deskwarm?
Not sure, but cold starting is always harder in winter and shortens engine life. |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the thing: I bust my butt all semester. I worked 29 hours a week with afterschool. I jump their stupid hoops, I teach alone when teachers are "too busy", I teach Co-T's who don't even know to say 'Hello'. I work like crazy to have fun, engaging lessons hours and hours outside of school.
So when it comes to little stuff like this and the school goes "lol no sit at your desk like a child for 4 hours because we said so" it's the last straw. |
Aren't you the lucky one. Some of us have to sit here like idiots for 8 hours - every day. And no, lesson planning isn't an option when you have 3 years lessons already planned, taught, refined etc.
Basically, deskwarming is just all part of the Korean Confucian hierarchical mind (insert rude word). It aint gonna changeee. The foreign devils must sit at their desks - alone - filling in 'busy time' - because they are being paid (and taking this money out of Korea).
In contrast, the Korean teachers are 'working from home.'
Good luck with it. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the thing: I bust my butt all semester. I worked 29 hours a week with afterschool. I jump their stupid hoops, I teach alone when teachers are "too busy", I teach Co-T's who don't even know to say 'Hello'. I work like crazy to have fun, engaging lessons hours and hours outside of school.
So when it comes to little stuff like this and the school goes "lol no sit at your desk like a child for 4 hours because we said so" it's the last straw. |
Aren't you the lucky one. Some of us have to sit here like idiots for 8 hours - every day. And no, lesson planning isn't an option when you have 3 years lessons already planned, taught, refined etc.
Basically, deskwarming is just all part of the Korean Confucian hierarchical mind (insert rude word). It aint gonna changeee. The foreign devils must sit at their desks - alone - filling in 'busy time' - because they are being paid (and taking this money out of Korea).
In contrast, the Korean teachers are 'working from home.'
Good luck with it. |
My school came up with a cute answer to that equation. They decided to give me four weeks of camp this winter. While it's not hard work at all I have the most camp time out of all my friends: which ranges from three days to three weeks. It's not as bad as pure desk warming it is disheartening to know that my friends are living it up and doing stuff. |
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