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wiganer

Joined: 13 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject:

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[quote="Globutron"]
Hey, I'm not a moron, I'm pretty intelligent, actually. Don't say things like that.

And no it isn't your personal preference. It's stereotyping. Most Asians in England (category) are ugly (derogatory remark).

It's no different to saying 'most black people in Africa are stupid'.

No it isn't globtron - what a terrible comparison. Looks are subjective, if someone said 'Most Asian girls who travel to the UK are attractive' then that is perfectly logical based on its subjectivy but if someone said 'Most Asian girls who travel to the UK are ugly' that is also logical based on subjectivity. How do we rate attractiveness?

However, someone saying 'Most black people in Africa are stupid' isn't true, most black people in Africa speak more than one language, in fact usually several - so we can use several arguments (including the one I used) to dismiss this claim based on logic alone.

Thus you can make arguments based on logic or subjectivity. Until we have clear guidelines on beauty, then subjectivity will rule in regards beauty and thus there are no wrong anwsers. Measuring intellect has clearer guidelines.

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Racism doesn't require you to lump an entire continent into one category of negative assumptions, since people tend to differ throughout. Look at a Thai and then look at a Japanese.

I didn't. I think a lot of Asian girls here are very attractive which you didn't get round to asking did you? I married an Asian woman and I am very happy with her despite your bigoted pretensions on the subject, secondly, the vast majority of (east) Asian girls in England are from one part of China so no - you don't get to see the full range of Asian physical difference as you would do in America or Canada.

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Then look at one Thai and one Japanese in England. Suddenly they are collectively uglier, huh? How does that make sense.

= Racism and/or stereotyping.

There are so few Japanese women in England, it makes your point moot, the same with Thais, Pinays and the rest. Of course there are some but I never saw any outside of an airport. Doubt you did in your little Norfolk town. Wink

We probably did see lots of Cantonese speaking women from around Guangdong/Hong Kong. They are the majority population of east Asian women in the UK - don't get us mixed up with America. Wink

Globutron

Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject:

[quote="wiganer"]

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No it isn't globtron - what a terrible comparison. Looks are subjective, if someone said 'Most Asian girls who travel to the UK are attractive' then that is perfectly logical and subjective but if someone said 'Most Asian girls who travel to the UK are ugly' that is also logical based on subjectivity. How do we rate attractiveness?

I didn't. I think a lot of Asian girls here are very attractive which you didn't get round to asking did you? I married an Asian woman and I am very happy with her despite your bigoted pretensions on the subject, secondly, the vast majority of (east) Asian girls in England are from one part of China so no - you don't get to see the full range of Asian physical difference as you would do in America or Canada.

I wasn't saying it was about being ugly or attractive. You were lumping all the eggs into one basket. Turkey eggs, ostrich eggs, chicken eggs. End of the day, they're all just eggs to you.

I'm from one of the most ethnically diverse cities in England... certainly not Norfolk. I'm pretty aware of the distribution of foreign folk and the like.

It's interesting that you added (east) before 'Asian' as I have highlighted in bold, as if to correct your own mistake that I pointed out in the first place.

I'm glad you're taking the time to discuss this with me, all the same. I don't know where anger began and I don't know where it will end (for you), but I imagine it would be the day you leave dave's forum.
As for me... I just hope I find a friend before I'm too old. *sigh*

(preferably a black friend. They're mostly cool and handsome in Korea)

wiganer

Joined: 13 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:06 pm Post subject:

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[quote="Globutron"]
I wasn't saying it was about being ugly or attractive. You were lumping all the eggs into one basket. Turkey eggs, ostrich eggs, chicken eggs. End of the day, they're all just eggs to you.

Globotron - have you been drinking? Are you recovering from last nights hangover? Show me where I said 'ALL' nowhere have I said 'ALL' So I haven't 'lumped' anyone into anything.

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I'm from one of the most ethnically diverse cities in England... certainly not Norfolk. I'm pretty aware of the distribution of foreign folk and the like.

Oh are you? Then you will know that even in your ethnically diverse city, outside the (very small) Chinatowns of the bigger cities in the UK, there are no Asian enclaves anywhere. Check this map out, very interesting!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/china.stm

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It's interesting that you added (east) before 'Asian' as I have highlighted in bold, as if to correct your own mistake that I pointed out in the first place.

Course we are talking about east Asians globotron - I did it so as not to confuse our American and Canadian friends! Wink

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I'm glad you're taking the time to discuss this with me, all the same. I don't know where anger began and I don't know where it will end (for you), but I imagine it would be the day you leave dave's forum.
As for me... I just hope I find a friend before I'm too old. *sigh*

(preferably a black friend. They're mostly cool and handsome in Korea

You are making another assumption globtron - I am a nice guy, I make people laugh and I am good fun to be around and am a good friend - there are people who use this site who know me and would attest to this. I am not like my online persona in real life. I in turn know that you are probably a nice guy in real life, like Steelrails, like Urban Myth and the rest. Don't take what anyone says on here seriously globotron - it is just sport! Cool

Globutron

Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject:

I'm pretty much the same person in real life... It's just much less effective than it is on the internet. In reality people can choose to not listen, and so my remarks just pass by as silly commentary. Here it's 'trolling' Anyway back to the argument even though it's off topic - I didn't go out last night, I was recovering from a week of lacking sleep. But I didn't SAY you said ALL. I was quoting a proverb. It wouldn't work if it was 'don't put most your eggs into one basket'. Where I went to study, seemingly half of the population of that University was east Asian. Many I found attractive, many I found unattractive. In the same way, many East Asians in East Asia i find are attractive, and many unattractive. It's a little odd that you can find east asians in England... oh nevermind this is about to start going in circles. Back on topic damn it.

wiganer

Joined: 13 Jul 2010

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject:

Globutron wrote:

I'm pretty much the same person in real life...

It's just much less effective than it is on the internet. In reality people can choose to not listen, and so my remarks just pass by as silly commentary.
Here it's 'trolling'

Anyway back to the argument even though it's off topic - I didn't go out last night, I was recovering from a week of lacking sleep. But I didn't SAY you said ALL. I was quoting a proverb. It wouldn't work if it was 'don't put most your eggs into one basket'.

Where I went to study, seemingly half of the population of that University was east Asian. Many I found attractive, many I found unattractive.
In the same way, many East Asians in East Asia i find are attractive, and many unattractive.

It's a little odd that you can find east asians in England... oh nevermind this is about to start going in circles. Back on topic damn it.

Rule one globotron. For proverbs to be effective - you need to use them in the right context. I never use absolutes in arguments, ever.

There were a lot of Asian students at my university, mostly from Malaysia but also China, Taiwan and Singapore. Most of the girls who studied there were geeky and plain - I don't remember seeing any stunningly beautiful Asian women so coming to Korea was a nice suprise. The only time I went 'wow' at the sight of an Asian girl before then was these two young ladies who worked in their parents chip shop in Wigan - and before anyone accuses me of racial stereotyping - most people's interactions with Asian people in the UK is in the ordering of fast food - and most of the people running these establishments are usually from Hong Kong.

Anyway Globotron - I am sure it won't be long before we cross swords again so have a nice weekend and get some sleep! Very Happy

misher

Joined: 14 Oct 2008

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:02 am Post subject:

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I didnt come to Korea for the girls but Ive been told by many guys about asian women and teaching here. Also I happend to see a vietnam movie or two, or read the history of the korean war, or looked on this website, or went to school with koreans, or...well I guess the point is Im a real human and you are apparently not.

This is something I really don't understand. If it was "just about the women" South Korea would be one of the last places on earth I would go. Why?

1. Competition is ridiculously high here for anything of quality and based on my experience in most cases any Korean woman of quality in the looks department will have a princessy shoddy attitude. No thanks.

2. The women that are left over are generally not very attractive. They may be thin, but many other countries in the world have thin females. Some guys in Korea may have lucked out but based on what I've seen, this is by far the exception to the norm. I know this sounds shallow but I'm being brutally honest here.

3. Not only are most of the women left over not that great in the looks department, but they tend to have psycho personalities which is probably why they get passed over by Korean guys. EVERY foreign guy I know with a Korean girlfriend says meeting one with a stable personality is ridiculously tough.

4. General stigma attached to being with a foreign man. This turns off most of the great Korean women with great personalities from even considering dating a foreign guy. Again I know some guys have gotten lucky but I believe that is the exception not the norm.

5. The general attitude of many Korean women that they have to get hitched once they are 27 international age. Basically if the checklist is satisfied it is "when are we getting married?" after 3 months of a relationship. If you do not meet the checklist you aren't even considered unless they are older than 30 and ridiculously desperate. If I'm a guy in my late twenties looking to date that means getting involved in a relationship with a girl of similar age would be suicide unless you are the kind of guy that can just break hearts over and over without any remorse.

Now I know I generalized a lot here and it may be shallow and a bit harsh. I'm jsut putting myself in the shoes of a young man (shallow) looking to go to a country with great dating prospects with the least problems. Korea does not come to mind because of the points listed above. I do however think there are many MANY great women in Korea. It is just they are inaccessible unlike many other countries out there.

I'm also just going on my personal experience and observations here. I'm not saying I'm correct.

Anyway, if it were about the women it would be back to northern or eastern Europe for me. Lived there for years in my early mid twenties and it was by far the best time of my life due to the abundance of intelligent and attractive women that I had the privilege of meeting and even sometimes dating.

Back to the OP,

I meet my partners friends on average once every 6 weeks. Her female friends are super nice to me (at first they hated me) but I have absolutely zilch in common with them and find their conversations ridiculously boring and vain. Even my partner is drifting away from them because all they do is talk about money and act increasingly arrogant. However my partner one have one good friend that I like a lot but she lived in Canada for 12 years so her thinking I can relate with. Her husband is also one of the coolest Korean guys I have ever met. We double date once every month or so. If my partner pressured me to hang out with her friends more I would would say absolutely not. If she continued to pressure me I would break up with her as harsh as it sounds because I don't want to be with a person like that. Thankfully she is not that kind of person.

Sector7G

Joined: 24 May 2008

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject:

misher wrote:

Now I know I generalized a lot here and it may be shallow and a bit harsh. I'm jsut putting myself in the shoes of a young man (shallow) looking to go to a country with great dating prospects with the least problems. Korea does not come to mind because of the points listed above. I do however think there are many MANY great women in Korea. It is just they are inaccessible unlike many other countries out there.

I'm also just going on my personal experience and observations here. I'm not saying I'm correct.

I am not saying I agree with your assessment of Korean women, but for the sake of argument, let's assume it's true. How would the "young man (shallow) looking to go to a country with great dating prospects" know that ahead of time, if he was your average first timer to Asia, as many of us were?

misher

Joined: 14 Oct 2008

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:07 pm Post subject:

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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject:
misher wrote:

Now I know I generalized a lot here and it may be shallow and a bit harsh. I'm jsut putting myself in the shoes of a young man (shallow) looking to go to a country with great dating prospects with the least problems. Korea does not come to mind because of the points listed above. I do however think there are many MANY great women in Korea. It is just they are inaccessible unlike many other countries out there.

I'm also just going on my personal experience and observations here. I'm not saying I'm correct.

I am not saying I agree with your assessment of Korean women, but for the sake of argument, let's assume it's true. How would the "young man (shallow) looking to go to a country with great dating prospects" know that ahead of time, if he was your average first timer to Asia, as many of us were?

Fair enough and good point. In support of my analysis (which I'm not saying is correct) I guess many men come over here because word from a buddy or through the grapevine perpetuates this myth that you can be a superstar here and get all the ladies when this is in fact quite overrated IMO. And that is even if you are tall and good looking with blonde hair. If that was the case anyway one shouldn't have a problem at home or in any country for that matter. The question is why come to Korea when there are so many barriers. I would think that word would have gotten back by now.

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