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Korussian
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| galbijim already exists and is exactly that. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| galbijim already exists and is exactly that. |
Galbijim is great, but it's much better for finding out stuff about places in Korea, and not so focussed on answering basic questions that crop up repeatedly.
If Galbijim was already the solution, then every time someone asks "where can I find an adapter", we'd just send them over to the Galbijim article.
Galbijim rocks, but not for this. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
| galbijim already exists and is exactly that. |
Galbijim is great, but it's much better for finding out stuff about places in Korea, and not so focussed on answering basic questions that crop up repeatedly.
If Galbijim was already the solution, then every time someone asks "where can I find an adapter", we'd just send them over to the Galbijim article.
Galbijim rocks, but not for this. |
Funny. I see tons of articles about subjects other than places there, in fact a quick google search shows over 200 articles containing the phrase "how to" on glabijim, which seems to cover a wide range of common dave's questions, like ordering delivery food, getting a cell phone, etc. Seems to go far beyond finding a place.
If you think galbijim needs an article on finding adaptors you could start it. As for linking to it, galbijim seems to cover tons of things people ask on Dave's, but don't link to on a regular basis.
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=707&q=%22how+to%22+site%3Awiki.galbijim.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=6a0673dc5c3f3912 |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
| Korussian wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
| galbijim already exists and is exactly that. |
Galbijim is great, but it's much better for finding out stuff about places in Korea, and not so focussed on answering basic questions that crop up repeatedly.
If Galbijim was already the solution, then every time someone asks "where can I find an adapter", we'd just send them over to the Galbijim article.
Galbijim rocks, but not for this. |
Funny. I see tons of articles about subjects other than places there, in fact a quick google search shows over 200 articles containing the phrase "how to" on glabijim, which seems to cover a wide range of common dave's questions, like ordering delivery food, getting a cell phone, etc. Seems to go far beyond finding a place.
If you think galbijim needs an article on finding adaptors you could start it. As for linking to it, galbijim seems to cover tons of things people ask on Dave's, but don't link to on a regular basis.
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&biw=1600&bih=707&q=%22how+to%22+site%3Awiki.galbijim.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=6a0673dc5c3f3912 |
Unfortunately, doing a Google search like that is a bit misleading, since it gets a lot of false positives. Here's Galbijim's own "How to" category: http://wiki.galbijim.com/Category:How_to
It contains only 10 articles:
*How to buy computer parts online
*How to claim lost luggage
*How to make an international phone call
*How to order delivery service
*How to register on Cyworld
*How to rent a cellphone
*How to take the GRE in Korea
*How to text message in Korean
*How to use a computer in Korean
*How to watch NHL games in Korea
I'll bet we can do better! |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
Unfortunately, doing a Google search like that is a bit misleading, since it gets a lot of false positives. Here's Galbijim's own "How to" category: http://wiki.galbijim.com/Category:How_to
It contains only 10 articles:
*How to buy computer parts online
*How to claim lost luggage
*How to make an international phone call
*How to order delivery service
*How to register on Cyworld
*How to rent a cellphone
*How to take the GRE in Korea
*How to text message in Korean
*How to use a computer in Korean
*How to watch NHL games in Korea
I'll bet we can do better! |
Relying on category use on a volunteer project like that is even more misleading.
Google will give you all the pages that contain the phrase and might include how-to information. It is as well only one phrase and doesn't include other phrases which might also indicate there are how-to information on the page.
For example it doesn't include the article on:
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Finding_housing
A well established site already exists which does what you want and you haven't shown anything that goes above and beyond the feature set there. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
*How to watch NHL games in Korea
I'll bet we can do better!
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ahahahaha lol, shows you how many Canadians are in Korea...  |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
Relying on category use on a volunteer project like that is even more misleading.
Google will give you all the pages that contain the phrase and might include how-to information. It is as well only one phrase and doesn't include other phrases which might also indicate there are how-to information on the page.
For example it doesn't include the article on:
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Finding_housing
A well established site already exists which does what you want and you haven't shown anything that goes above and beyond the feature set there. |
That's a good point. Okay, so let's make a feature wish list.
What is needed in a site to make it so that people want to write/edit articles that answer common questions about Korea, and then point newbies to those articles instead of repeating the same threads over and over.
1. Korrelation.info already has a kick-ass internal search. It doesn't rely on Google, but indexes its own articles and the tags associated with them. As you pointed out, we can't rely on users to categorize their own stuff, since some variation will always get missed.
2. I'm trying to make the adding/editing as streamlined as possible. There's no registration, ever. You just write a new article, and put your name/email/site at the end.
3. You get credit for writing stuff, so articles you write link back to your blog or wherever you choose. If you want to be anonymous, you just make up a name and/or email and/or site. There's no blacklist/verification.
4. ???
What else would make Korrelation better and more usable? What would you add to the feature set that goes above and beyond Galbijim? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
Relying on category use on a volunteer project like that is even more misleading.
Google will give you all the pages that contain the phrase and might include how-to information. It is as well only one phrase and doesn't include other phrases which might also indicate there are how-to information on the page.
For example it doesn't include the article on:
http://wiki.galbijim.com/Finding_housing
A well established site already exists which does what you want and you haven't shown anything that goes above and beyond the feature set there. |
That's a good point. Okay, so let's make a feature wish list.
What is needed in a site to make it so that people want to write/edit articles that answer common questions about Korea, and then point newbies to those articles instead of repeating the same threads over and over.
1. Korrelation.info already has a kick-ass internal search. It doesn't rely on Google, but indexes its own articles and the tags associated with them. As you pointed out, we can't rely on users to categorize their own stuff, since some variation will always get missed.
2. I'm trying to make the adding/editing as streamlined as possible. There's no registration, ever. You just write a new article, and put your name/email/site at the end.
3. You get credit for writing stuff, so articles you write link back to your blog or wherever you choose. If you want to be anonymous, you just make up a name and/or email and/or site. There's no blacklist/verification.
4. ???
What else would make Korrelation better and more usable? What would you add to the feature set that goes above and beyond Galbijim? |
You're trying to fulfil a need you haven't shown that exists.
You don't need to login to galbijim to create or edit articles, links can be provided to dave's threads if necessary on articles there.
I haven't really seen anyone here saying "Jeeze I wish we had another site beyond Galbijim that we could compile FAQs onto and link to as answers to threads"
Galbijim already fulfils that need, in a format that is very familiar to most people, already has a ton of content and people don't use it as you think they should.
Most people don't need to link to an excessive amount of content because a lot of repeated questions are actually quite simply answered.
Even the articles you've created like
http://korrelation.info/can-i-buy-____-in-korea/
are gross over-generalizations and don't remotely answer the question that is actually asked with that kind of a statement. Just about any specific brand of any product is very hit and miss here and not remotely related to those few categories you've listed. Tylenol is just acetaminophen and widely available here so I'm not sure why you'd even list that as being different.
You don't even explore what shops should be visited to hunt for these elusive products, or anything else of that nature, in short I can't imagine how linking to this article would really help anyone. These high level kind of answers can quickly be typed out by anyone and it seems like it would be a bigger hassle to go track down the link to that article you think you saw on that website. Unless we're actually talking about some kind of in depth process (say applying for visas, getting married, maps on hard to find places, detailed tax tutorials, etc.) I don't see the benefit here.
This looks like nothing more than an attempt to replace galbijim which is working fine for this kind of content and has more features (like talk pages for articles where things can be discussed if necessary) and the ability to host/add media to articles where necessary as well. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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You're trying to fulfil a need you haven't shown that exists.
You don't need to login to galbijim to create or edit articles, links can be provided to dave's threads if necessary on articles there.
I haven't really seen anyone here saying "Jeeze I wish we had another site beyond Galbijim that we could compile FAQs onto and link to as answers to threads"
Galbijim already fulfils that need, in a format that is very familiar to most people, already has a ton of content and people don't use it as you think they should.
Most people don't need to link to an excessive amount of content because a lot of repeated questions are actually quite simply answered.
Even the articles you've created like
http://korrelation.info/can-i-buy-____-in-korea/
are gross over-generalizations and don't remotely answer the question that is actually asked with that kind of a statement. Just about any specific brand of any product is very hit and miss here and not remotely related to those few categories you've listed. Tylenol is just acetaminophen and widely available here so I'm not sure why you'd even list that as being different.
You don't even explore what shops should be visited to hunt for these elusive products, or anything else of that nature, in short I can't imagine how linking to this article would really help anyone. These high level kind of answers can quickly be typed out by anyone and it seems like it would be a bigger hassle to go track down the link to that article you think you saw on that website. Unless we're actually talking about some kind of in depth process (say applying for visas, getting married, maps on hard to find places, detailed tax tutorials, etc.) I don't see the benefit here.
This looks like nothing more than an attempt to replace galbijim which is working fine for this kind of content and has more features (like talk pages for articles where things can be discussed if necessary) and the ability to host/add media to articles where necessary as well. |
Those are just article stubs used as examples, not proper informational articles. Doesn't make sense to attack their content at this early stage.
Korrelation doesn't have as many features as Galbijim because more features is not better. Talk pages, embedded stuff, hosting media... that works for a giant wiki, but it's just so much stuff that detracts from giving & getting basic info. Galbijim also has a forum that hasn't been posted on in weeks, a job-site, and a Korean-only "Friends" section too. Korrelation wouldn't have those things because those things don't serve the overall goal, which is: a list of answers to common questions about Korea.
I like Galbijim, and I'm definitely not out to replace it (because Mithridates is a Korean-knowledge god, because it's a good site, because it's entrenched, and because I would fail hard right out of the gate).
I'm out to make a site that's just questions and answers to common stuff about Korea. Not a grand repository of knowledge. The Foreigner vs. Korean population of Jecheon-si is not something I'm trying to record.
Look, you obviously know what you're talking about and have already given this idea a lot of thought. I'd really appreciate it if you could suggest what I can do to make Korrelation.info better for people to find common questions & answers about Korea, and then link to them next time a newbie asks? |
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wiganer
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Korussian wrote: |
| crossmr wrote: |
You're trying to fulfil a need you haven't shown that exists.
You don't need to login to galbijim to create or edit articles, links can be provided to dave's threads if necessary on articles there.
I haven't really seen anyone here saying "Jeeze I wish we had another site beyond Galbijim that we could compile FAQs onto and link to as answers to threads"
Galbijim already fulfils that need, in a format that is very familiar to most people, already has a ton of content and people don't use it as you think they should.
Most people don't need to link to an excessive amount of content because a lot of repeated questions are actually quite simply answered.
Even the articles you've created like
http://korrelation.info/can-i-buy-____-in-korea/
are gross over-generalizations and don't remotely answer the question that is actually asked with that kind of a statement. Just about any specific brand of any product is very hit and miss here and not remotely related to those few categories you've listed. Tylenol is just acetaminophen and widely available here so I'm not sure why you'd even list that as being different.
You don't even explore what shops should be visited to hunt for these elusive products, or anything else of that nature, in short I can't imagine how linking to this article would really help anyone. These high level kind of answers can quickly be typed out by anyone and it seems like it would be a bigger hassle to go track down the link to that article you think you saw on that website. Unless we're actually talking about some kind of in depth process (say applying for visas, getting married, maps on hard to find places, detailed tax tutorials, etc.) I don't see the benefit here.
This looks like nothing more than an attempt to replace galbijim which is working fine for this kind of content and has more features (like talk pages for articles where things can be discussed if necessary) and the ability to host/add media to articles where necessary as well. |
Those are just article stubs used as examples, not proper informational articles. Doesn't make sense to attack their content at this early stage.
Korrelation doesn't have as many features as Galbijim because more features is not better. Talk pages, embedded stuff, hosting media... that works for a giant wiki, but it's just so much stuff that detracts from giving & getting basic info. Galbijim also has a forum that hasn't been posted on in weeks, a job-site, and a Korean-only "Friends" section too. Korrelation wouldn't have those things because those things don't serve the overall goal, which is: a list of answers to common questions about Korea.
I like Galbijim, and I'm definitely not out to replace it (because Mithridates is a Korean-knowledge god, because it's a good site, because it's entrenched, and because I would fail hard right out of the gate).
I'm out to make a site that's just questions and answers to common stuff about Korea. Not a grand repository of knowledge. The Foreigner vs. Korean population of Jecheon-si is not something I'm trying to record.
Look, you obviously know what you're talking about and have already given this idea a lot of thought. I'd really appreciate it if you could suggest what I can do to make Korrelation.info better for people to find common questions & answers about Korea, and then link to them next time a newbie asks? |
Korussian - don't respond to the troll.
Crossmr - have the last word and be done with it you big baby.  |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| wiganer wrote: |
Korussian - don't respond to the troll.
Crossmr - have the last word and be done with it you big baby. |
He put his site up on a public forum for discussion. If he didn't want people's opinions on it, he shouldn't have done so. If you don't want to read people giving opinions on things on a forum, you might want to close the window.
I've given an honest opinion on the site and addressed the points he's raised.
He's envisioning a scenario and attempting to fulfil a need that doesn't seem to exist and wants guidance on that. That's a very difficult position to put an idea in.
He seems to believe that he can get people to constantly link to his site, but I can't see why they would want to, or what he could do that would make people want to do that. Most of the big things that would actually require linking to are covered on various other sites/blogs/forum posts and the little things don't require linking.
About the only thing that is going to get people to link to his site is if he generates genuinely useful in depth content that people find useful and nothing more.
With all the other resources out there it is unlikely that people would flock to the site to start duplicating content that already exists. |
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Morticae
Joined: 06 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| wiganer wrote: |
Korussian - don't respond to the troll.
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Oh, the irony! |
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Slowmotion
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| I think the site is a step in the right direction |
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