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rabidcake



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: For those of you who have worked for a Korean company... Reply with quote

My question is, how did you do it? What type of role in a Korean company would need a westerner? Is it mostly engineering jobs? Buisness related jobs?

Overall, how was the experience?

I ask because maybe someday I may be interested in working for an Asian company. On a more personal level, there is someone I'm personally involved with and would like to spend an extensive amount of time with her in her own country.

I want to get an idea of some of the experiences you have all had, and what was required to get in the first place.
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Drew10



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work at a phone retail store. My main role is Sales but i also do a bit of managerial tasks (inventory, sales records... ETC.) I have a Korean counterpart to handle the Korean-speaking part of business.

The job itself is perfect for me, I'm ex-military finishing up my degree through distance learning at my University back home in the states (no..not university of phoenix). My store is located near a military base so i get the perks of having a selection of restaurants that aren't chicken, or jjajangmyun. My wife found the job posting on a Korean website, she initially responded on her own behalf, but i kind of sniped myself into a job as well.

Overall, the experience so far is good. The store is owned by 2 brothers, one is a corporate manager at KT so that helps us out when a situation comes up that we don't know how to handle. They treat me fair, pay me on time, and even gave me a corporate account to try and draw in new business. I can't complain, especially when i read nightmare stories about nasty hagwons with shady owners doing bad business.
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conbon78



Joined: 05 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Korean co. Reply with quote

I worked for a Korean company. It was interesting, which is the best I can say about it. You are completely immersed in the Korean culture, which can be good/bad depending on you. I also found the job to be very boring. On a regular basis I had nothing to do and you aren't supposed to ask for more work, so I sat there and played on Facebook. I worked a lot of hours and taught very little (so more like I sat there and did nothing from 8:30-5:30 - taught maybe 10 hours a week). So if you are considering a position, look at the amount of time you will actually be spending doing something. I received a lot of perks with my job, which was nice, but I wouldn't give up having time off and working few hours (uni jobs). It left me with a bitter taste in my mouth about Korea, which was not how I felt before I had that job.
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rkc76sf



Joined: 02 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, I felt the same way about my job at a public foreign language high school- boring, taught a little more (22 hours a week), worked from 0830 to 1630 and surfed the internet alot, except I did get two months vacation a year. Just felt little sense of accomplishment and going forward.
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Lionman



Joined: 13 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been working at a Korean company for about 3 years now as an in-house instructor. I teach 25 hours a week and am also responsible for additional admin related tasks.

In the beginning it was okay. I would come in, do my hours and leave. It felt great to be paid so well for so few hours.

After a while students stopped coming. So for at least an hour a day I have 'nothing' to do.

I plan ahead by scheduling other work I have to do in this 'dead zone.'

They offered my 'regular employee' status which would be more secure, and have some benefits thrown in, but would have to be their from 8:30am - 7pm - for the same pay I get now.

Don't know if I could take it being there all day.

But, as conbon78 said you are immersed in the Korean culture with all its irregularities and complexities. And then there are things I plain just don't understand.

I'll give you a few examples:

Rather than a workplace the office reminds me more of public school in the states complete with 'assemblies' and special 'events' that everyone has to attend. And like public school back home, when these events come up I usually ditch and no one says anything. There are also cliques, the in-group and the outcasts whom everyone likes to make fun of behind his back.

I'll continue this public school metophor. Productivity, like work done in class does not seem to be assessed, but an attempt to ensure it is done through giving everyone long hours to work (busy work).

You see people goofing off, having a chat, sleeping on the job, and who knows what they're looking at on those computer screens! Half the time it's probably internet surfing. Korea has one of the fastest connections in the world you know.

Some of the employees told me they would play online games with co-workers after 'working late.' Save money on PC bangs I guess. No one checking up on them.

Things started to get weird when some of my students suggested playing 'dirty movies' as study material for English class.

I told them I felt it was morally wrong and I could get fired if I pulled such a stunt.

They all seemed puzzled and very confidently said that I wouldn't.

I figured they weren't just messing with me because they tend not to play the 'sarcasm' card here.

I also have one perverted student. I wrote up his behavior in the yearly evaluation report and have not heard back from anyone about a repremand. No one bothered to read the report I assume.



All in all. If you're just looking into the money or something more stable, long term than a hakwon this might be for you.

If you are looking for a place to grow, or develop your career the K-company might ruin you.

Working there has made me lazy, and got me into this habit of cutting corners. Some days it's pretty depressing.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd have to be made of far sterner stuff than I am, or simply into sadomasochism to work in a Korean company.

I assume you'd have to "fit in", into Korean cultural and hierarchical norms.

Which means you'd be whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Kissing a lot of adjosshi ass, far more than back home and if you're unlucky, unable to go home until your boss does. (Korean work culture).

Hope you like "group bonding" nonsense, like climbing mountain and getting drunk on a regular basis.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vagabundo wrote:
You'd have to be made of far sterner stuff than I am, or simply into sadomasochism to work in a Korean company.

I assume you'd have to "fit in", into Korean cultural and hierarchical norms.

Which means you'd be whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Kissing a lot of adjosshi ass, far more than back home and if you're unlucky, unable to go home until your boss does. (Korean work culture).

Hope you like "group bonding" nonsense, like climbing mountain and getting drunk on a regular basis.


Pretty much.

I work in sales and marketing at a major chaebol company. I was recruited into it fresh out of college, after applying to a listing on my university's careers website. I think the fact that I had studied Chinese and studied abroad in China helped my application.

They had me do a phone interview, then flew me to New York for a written test and in-person interview. After a year of training in the U.S. they sent me to Korea for three more years of training. I'm not sure why I needed four years of on-the-job training, but that's beside the point.

The upside is that it has been quite lucrative. While i was in Korea they gave me my regular U.S. salary (still direct deposited in dollars to my bank account back home) plus a housing and food stipend in won. They also fronted the 10 million won security deposit for my apartment. The stipend was a little over 3 million won per month, which was enough to live off of, so I got to save almost my whole paycheck for two years.

The other nice thing is that Korean girls at the bar often swooned when they asked me if I was an English teacher and I said "no" and told them the name of the company I worked for. They would go "Wow, it's a very famous company" and give me a big smile. That definitely helped me score.

The downsides?

Long hours with no real responsibilities and almost nothing to do besides surf the internet and take lots of coffee breaks. Not leaving until your boss leaves or at least giving him a deep bow and asking if you may leave. Not wanting to be the first one to leave, in the knowledge that all your coworkers are jealous of you because will be there for two more hours--and they know you're getting paid more than they are.

Lots of 2+ hour-long meetings that were entirely in Korean. Being trotted out as the token foreigner whenever non-Korean business partners come to visit for a meeting. Being given job assignments that mostly consist of translating Konglish into proper English, instead of anything that's actually related to your job description.

Lots of mandatory group bonding activities like "mountain climbing," company dinners aka soju chugging contests, noraebang, and MTs, which consist of going to a hotel room out in the mountains, making a big pot of kimchi jigae, chugging a bunch of soju, playing dumb games, and sleeping on the floor next to your snoring ajeosshi coworkers.

I was supposed to be there for three years, but after two I already wasn't learning anything and was bored out of my mind. I couldn't take it anymore so I managed to get myself transferred back to an office in the U.S.

But given the choice, yes I absolutely would do it again. For the money.
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rabidcake



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
Vagabundo wrote:
You'd have to be made of far sterner stuff than I am, or simply into sadomasochism to work in a Korean company.

I assume you'd have to "fit in", into Korean cultural and hierarchical norms.

Which means you'd be whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Kissing a lot of adjosshi ass, far more than back home and if you're unlucky, unable to go home until your boss does. (Korean work culture).

Hope you like "group bonding" nonsense, like climbing mountain and getting drunk on a regular basis.


Pretty much.

I work in sales and marketing at a major chaebol company. I was recruited into it fresh out of college, after applying to a listing on my university's careers website. I think the fact that I had studied Chinese and studied abroad in China helped my application.

They had me do a phone interview, then flew me to New York for a written test and in-person interview. After a year of training in the U.S. they sent me to Korea for three more years of training. I'm not sure why I needed four years of on-the-job training, but that's beside the point.

The upside is that it has been quite lucrative. While i was in Korea they gave me my regular U.S. salary (still direct deposited in dollars to my bank account back home) plus a housing and food stipend in won. They also fronted the 10 million won security deposit for my apartment. The stipend was a little over 3 million won per month, which was enough to live off of, so I got to save almost my whole paycheck for two years.

The other nice thing is that Korean girls at the bar often swooned when they asked me if I was an English teacher and I said "no" and told them the name of the company I worked for. They would go "Wow, it's a very famous company" and give me a big smile. That definitely helped me score.

The downsides?

Long hours with no real responsibilities and almost nothing to do besides surf the internet and take lots of coffee breaks. Not leaving until your boss leaves or at least giving him a deep bow and asking if you may leave. Not wanting to be the first one to leave, in the knowledge that all your coworkers are jealous of you because will be there for two more hours--and they know you're getting paid more than they are.

Lots of 2+ hour-long meetings that were entirely in Korean. Being trotted out as the token foreigner whenever non-Korean business partners come to visit for a meeting. Being given job assignments that mostly consist of translating Konglish into proper English, instead of anything that's actually related to your job description.

Lots of mandatory group bonding activities like "mountain climbing," company dinners aka soju chugging contests, noraebang, and MTs, which consist of going to a hotel room out in the mountains, making a big pot of kimchi jigae, chugging a bunch of soju, playing dumb games, and sleeping on the floor next to your snoring ajeosshi coworkers.

I was supposed to be there for three years, but after two I already wasn't learning anything and was bored out of my mind. I couldn't take it anymore so I managed to get myself transferred back to an office in the U.S.

But given the choice, yes I absolutely would do it again. For the money.


Redaxe, that's really interesting. How were you able to get the job in the first place exactly? It was just one of the job postings at your University and you managed to do well in the interviews?

How did knowing Chinese help you exactly? Demonstrating that you know some Chinese culture?
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah i wish i could say there was some trick to it but i just applied through the website.

Knowing Chinese helped me because they wanted people with experience in Asia to send as expats. There was also the possibility that i would get sent to China since we have a regional HQ in Shanghai. But i heard that the Shanghai office is much worse than Seoul because the Korean managers stationed in China behave very badly, drinking and womanizing and treating the locals like their slaves.
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rabidcake



Joined: 10 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Redaxe,

I'm currently working for a company that has sent me to their Shanghai office. I'm glad to know that such an experience may be valuable for something in Korea.

我也会说中文。
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Lionman



Joined: 13 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
the Korean managers stationed in China behave very badly, drinking and womanizing and treating the locals like their slaves.


Oh, great. Sound like another US Forces Korea.
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Lionman



Joined: 13 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vagabundo wrote:
You'd have to be made of far sterner stuff than I am, or simply into sadomasochism to work in a Korean company.

I assume you'd have to "fit in", into Korean cultural and hierarchical norms.

Which means you'd be whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Kissing a lot of adjosshi ass, far more than back home and if you're unlucky, unable to go home until your boss does. (Korean work culture).

Hope you like "group bonding" nonsense, like climbing mountain and getting drunk on a regular basis.


I'm not sure if full timers are susceptible to this.

Being the 'respected instructor' I am somehow removed from the employees and their ways.

For starters, I don't drink. So whenever I am invited to drink I simply tell them I don't.

If they insist saying I can just join them but not drink I might ask them something like

"You're a Buddhist, right? How about visiting a Christian Church on Sunday? Don't worry. You don't have to pray."
-I don't want to go there.

Some people ask something dumb like 'You won't drink even a small drop?'

Haha. I'm not falling for that one.

Another good way to alienate yourself from company riff-raff is to HAVE EVERYONE SEE YOU engage in small talk with the company president and executives, who all usually speak pretty decent English.

You get mad props for doing this among your students.

In class I put them under the impression that I'm buddy buddy with these guys.

I go home after the class is dismissed.

So the cool thing is I can play high and mighty with my students.

The best corporate money can buy.
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lionman wrote:
Vagabundo wrote:
You'd have to be made of far sterner stuff than I am, or simply into sadomasochism to work in a Korean company.

I assume you'd have to "fit in", into Korean cultural and hierarchical norms.

Which means you'd be whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Kissing a lot of adjosshi ass, far more than back home and if you're unlucky, unable to go home until your boss does. (Korean work culture).

Hope you like "group bonding" nonsense, like climbing mountain and getting drunk on a regular basis.


I'm not sure if full timers are susceptible to this.

Being the 'respected instructor' I am somehow removed from the employees and their ways.

For starters, I don't drink. So whenever I am invited to drink I simply tell them I don't.

If they insist saying I can just join them but not drink I might ask them something like

"You're a Buddhist, right? How about visiting a Christian Church on Sunday? Don't worry. You don't have to pray."
-I don't want to go there.

Some people ask something dumb like 'You won't drink even a small drop?'

Haha. I'm not falling for that one.

Another good way to alienate yourself from company riff-raff is to HAVE EVERYONE SEE YOU engage in small talk with the company president and executives, who all usually speak pretty decent English.

You get mad props for doing this among your students.

In class I put them under the impression that I'm buddy buddy with these guys.

I go home after the class is dismissed.

So the cool thing is I can play high and mighty with my students.

The best corporate money can buy.


my assumption and response related more to having a real life job within a K corporate environment, rather than being an Englishee teacher within such a corporation.
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Lionman



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've heard from others who have 'real jobs' at K-corps. was that they were either the company proofreader, or the foreign figurehead. They weren't really given any decision-making ability.

Even one American lawyer friend I know spends his days in front of a computer all day proofreading contracts and what not.

I guess the dream job in Korea might exist, but from what I've heard from others there's alway something missing, whether it's the job satisfaction, the pay is not so great, no future in it, boring, etc.

English teacher is one of those dull but lucrative jobs in Korea. If you know what you're doing and work hard you can end up making close to six figures after taxes.

That's comparable to a lawyer's take home pay back home.

Nonetheless, perhaps there are a few cool jobs to be had.
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redaxe



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lionman wrote:
From what I've heard from others who have 'real jobs' at K-corps. was that they were either the company proofreader, or the foreign figurehead. They weren't really given any decision-making ability.

Even one American lawyer friend I know spends his days in front of a computer all day proofreading contracts and what not.

I guess the dream job in Korea might exist, but from what I've heard from others there's alway something missing, whether it's the job satisfaction, the pay is not so great, no future in it, boring, etc.


Yeah, that was my experience. I had a reasonable job description and responsibilities, but the actual work was nowhere near enough to fill a ten-hour day at the office, so I spent most of my time "deskwarming" or acting as the company proofreader.

The thing is, most of my Korean coworkers were the same way--basically just pretending to work all day. Everyone at the office was very good at looking busy, and the team managers didn't seem to notice or care that we weren't producing much of anything, except e-mails and a few sloppy reports and powerpoint presentations that we made for our meetings, which we had just for the sake of having meetings. And people would just disappear from their desks for long stretches of the afternoon, for endless smoke breaks and coffee breaks.

That's just how Korean workplaces are, the focus is on appearances, not results, so you see many cubicle banks full of people who are pretending to work very hard for ten hours a day but hardly producing anything. Then, when they actually have real work to do, they still waste time all day and don't start working on it until about 5-6 PM. Then they realize they can't finish it in time so they're like "OMG so busy!!! palli palli!!!" and stressed out, and end up staying until midnight to get it done. And then you're supposed to feel guilty for wanting to leave at six, even though you already did all your work.

Sure, there is no dream job, and even if you land what you think is your dream job back in your home country, you'll find something about it that you hate and will gripe about to your wife and your friends. But there are such deep flaws in the Korean work ethic that are really hard to deal with as the lone foreign employee. You just feel like you're living in Crazy Town.
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