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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
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| Maybe they could make deskwarming more productive by forcing the worst students in the whole school to make up for their lack of progress over the year by taking classes with us. |
Now that would be punishing teachers! |
Yeah, but everyone is so upset about how deskwarming doesn't make sense... and there's definitely real logic in providing supplementary classes for students who haven't made any progress during the year... perhaps what they're missing is that extra little push that they didn't get during the year?
Also, it would act as motivation for them to improve so they don't have to spend their vacations with us next year.
We're all real professional teachers here who are entitled to everything that real teachers have, so perhaps it's time we started actively taking responsibility for the progress of our students... |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| Sector7G wrote: |
| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| Maybe they could make deskwarming more productive by forcing the worst students in the whole school to make up for their lack of progress over the year by taking classes with us. |
Now that would be punishing teachers! |
Yeah, but everyone is so upset about how deskwarming doesn't make sense... and there's definitely real logic in providing supplementary classes for students who haven't made any progress during the year... perhaps what they're missing is that extra little push that they didn't get during the year?
Also, it would act as motivation for them to improve so they don't have to spend their vacations with us next year.
We're all real professional teachers here who are entitled to everything that real teachers have, so perhaps it's time we started actively taking responsibility for the progress of our students... |
It has been fun teaching our lower level students in a seperate room from the higher level students. They learn so much more when they are don't in the same room as the higher level students. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
| Maybe they could make deskwarming more productive by forcing the worst students in the whole school to make up for their lack of progress over the year by taking classes with us. |
My school does that. There is another teacher who teachers the lowest performing students. I teach a different group of 4th graders every day. My school set it up because I didn't teach the 4th grade this school year, so they need exposure to me. Ever day, about 13 students come in to clean the school, then have an hour of lessons with me, followed by an hour of study time in the library. I like it, as it does help pass the time and I get to know a group of kids that I don't get to interact with much. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| We're all real professional teachers here who are entitled to everything that real teachers have, so perhaps it's time we started actively taking responsibility for the progress of our students... |
Actually that is not true. Most of "us" are not real professional teachers at all. We are not hired as such, do not typically have the qualifications and training that real professional teachers have and do not have the same responsibilities and workload (esp in Public Schools).
However, taking responsibility for the progress of your students is a good thing and something anyone involved in education should be involved in. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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If you work in education, your top priority is helping students achieve. Look at any districts mission statement. The principal, teachers, administrative staff, lunch lady, janitor, teacher's aides, all should be striving for this goal.
Here in Korea, since we don't have Korean teaching certifications we are more like teacher's aides in my opinion in terms of status. Our goals and methods are the same as teachers though. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| You know, I'm genuinely impressed that people here would give up their deskwarming in favor of even more classes... but then, I kinda wonder if the 'deskwarming is an insult to the human race' crowd would feel the same way. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Actually that is not true. Most of "us" are not real professional teachers at all. We are not hired as such, do not typically have the qualifications and training that real professional teachers have and do not have the same responsibilities and workload (esp in Public Schools).
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It has nothing to do with qualifications or certifications, or even defacto, how important your job is. Even if your job is the most important job in the school and you have all the qualificatoins your Korean counterpart has, it does not matter if you are contracted and they are permanent. You'll have different contracts, different managers, and different budgets. As Sector7G pointed out, it's like a non-uniozed trucker driver comparing themselves to a Teamster.
Summer vacation for teachers, as much as some people here may think otherwise, is not some rite of passage "back home" or "around the world". Kids need downtime so you can' t have school all year round, but if school management had their own perfect world, teachers would only ever be employed for the 10months of the school year. The problem for management is unions won't agree to this, and also they need stability to run a complex organization like a school. There would be no stability if there was constant turnover of teachers, so there tends to be a compromise where a certain percentage of the teachers are permanent, and a certain percentage are contracted. Contracted teachers, as a rule, do not get paid for school vacations. If they are getting paid, it's because they're working, teaching extra summer classes, grading standardized tests, etc. |
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gillod
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe this thread is still going. Jeez, I was just looking to pick a fight.
Bottom line: Regardless of what it says in the contract, it's stupid to have to sit somewhere with no work to do. The utter lack of common sense displayed by Korean authority figures in this matter is ridiculous.
Anyway, I started leaving around 1. I just say I'm going to lunch and then I never come back. No one says anything. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| gillod wrote: |
I can't believe this thread is still going. Jeez, I was just looking to pick a fight.
Bottom line: Regardless of what it says in the contract, it's stupid to have to sit somewhere with no work to do. The utter lack of common sense displayed by Korean authority figures in this matter is ridiculous.
Anyway, I started leaving around 1. I just say I'm going to lunch and then I never come back. No one says anything. |
I have a question- have you ever been a manager in any kind of real business?
If you had, you would know that you have to do actions which your employees find "stupid" but make sense from an administrative/managerial standpoint.
You may believe that making employees happy and having everyone happy would lead to magically better working environments, but at some point you get the lunatics running the asylum. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| You guys in Seoul, Gyeonggi Do, and Bigger cities suck. I mean all you have to do is sit there at a desk. You're not even stuck with English camps for the full winter vacation minus your 2 weeks? That's what some of us smaller town and semi rural EPIK folks get stuck with. I'd kill to have no camps and just sit there. I'd be watching movies, studying, making new lessons, etc. |
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