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caniff



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052702303443904575579070132492654.html


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Chinese Supercomputer Said to Break U.S. Speed Record

By DON CLARK
A newly built supercomputer in China appears poised to take the world performance lead, another sign of the country's growing technological prowess that is likely to set off alarms about U.S. competitiveness and national security.

The system was designed by China's National University of Defense Technology and is housed at the National Supercomputing Center in the city of Tianjin. It is part of a new breed that exploits graphics chips more commonly used in playing videogames�supplied by Nvidia Corp.�as well as standard microprocessors from Intel Corp.

Supercomputers are massive machines that help tackle the toughest scientific problems, including simulating commercial products like new drugs as well as defense-related applications such as weapons design and breaking codes. The field has long been led by U.S. technology companies and national laboratories, which operate systems that have consistently topped lists of the fastest machines in the world.
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mises



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't hype related.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/101east/2010/11/2010111082259776407.html

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Hong Kong: Bridging the wealth gap

Will a minimum wage help address the worsening gap between the rich and poor in Asia?


^ Excellent piece about HK, wages and the cost of living.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
This isn't hype related.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/101east/2010/11/2010111082259776407.html

Quote:
Hong Kong: Bridging the wealth gap

Will a minimum wage help address the worsening gap between the rich and poor in Asia?


^ Excellent piece about HK, wages and the cost of living.


Wow, Al Jazeera's home page blows the hell out of pretty much every mainstream Western news source that I can think of. Well certainly any news tv website. Thanks for indirectly reminding me what a good resource it is.
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travel zen



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the USA could control the "freedom of expression" in other Western countries?


Its been done before. During the Persian Gulf War, everything and everyone was positive..even reported a fake landing on the coast to mislead. If the media weren't on board...they weren't boarding.

During the Bush administration...too many things wrong, but the West buddied up and fell in line like good puppies 1984 style. Confused
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mises



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is how China has managed to industrialize without serious contractions:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2009-06/08/content_8260388.htm
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Four major State-owned banks showed unprecedented credit support to small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), according to a recent report.


China produces her own credit. Interest paid is paid to the state which funds additional credit. They're greenbacking their currency. The traditional business cycle is entirely irrelevant. They do make our mistake with is allocating far too much credit to housing, and this could cause problems (though not systemtic banking problems) and corruption is immense.

We should copy China.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should China Rethink High Speed Rail?

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Some local media have reported recently that the recently enabled Wuhan - Guangzhou high-speed rail is currently running an average daily attendance of less than half capacity, while the newly opened Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed rail attendance is even lower. The main reason for the high-speed rail low attendance is that fares are too high; the high-speed railway ticket prices are usually double or higher than normal train fares.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

travel zen wrote:
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So the USA could control the "freedom of expression" in other Western countries?


Its been done before. During the Persian Gulf War, everything and everyone was positive..even reported a fake landing on the coast to mislead. If the media weren't on board...they weren't boarding.

During the Bush administration...too many things wrong, but the West buddied up and fell in line like good puppies 1984 style. Confused



I guess all the media blasting Bush for the New Orleans disaster, the two wars and the deficit among other things were just the product of my imagination. Likewise the opinion polls of Westerners outside of the U.S and Britain. Heck they even went after him when he made the simplest slip of the tongue multiple times.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China's Army of Graduates Faces Struggle

Kinda sounds like the USA.

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The economy, despite its robust growth, does not generate enough good professional jobs to absorb the influx of highly educated young adults. And many of them bear the inflated expectations of their parents, who emptied their bank accounts to buy them the good life that a higher education is presumed to guarantee.

�College essentially provided them with nothing,� said Zhang Ming, a political scientist and vocal critic of China�s education system. �For many young graduates, it�s all about survival. If there was ever an economic crisis, they could be a source of instability.�


Unlike the US, however:

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In a kind of cruel reversal, China�s old migrant class � uneducated villagers who flocked to factory towns to make goods for export � are now in high demand, with spot labor shortages and tighter government oversight driving up blue-collar wages.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the title suggests, the situation going on in China is all that it implies...hype.

China artificially keeps its currency low and the government heavily subsidizes its industries to the point that there could be no competition.
Furthermore, the government keeps the income of the population so low so manufacturers could pay their employees a 'living salary' and still have enough to profit from.

The strategy the Chinese are using now is virtually the same strategy the US used during the industrial era- companies and factories paid their workers only enough to keep them working and never enough to have a meaningful savings. Then if an employee has a family to support, the worker has to work twice as hard to make enough money to take care of them.

Now China is using its economic leverage to influence and pressure nations to 'tow the line' or be left out of the 'Chinese Dream' by not getting favorable trade status with China- thus forcing those nations that go against them to pay more for Chinese products and Chinese customs places heavy tariffs on their imports to China.

The problem between the west during the Industrial Era and China now is that the West was in general politically progressive, while the Chinese will do anything and everything to hold onto power, even fire on their own people, as seen in Tiananmen Square, Tibet and Xingjian (though Tibetans and Uighurs are not considered 'Chinese', but autonomous minorities).
As the CCP was working for the people to depose to the corrupt Guomingdang government in the 1930's and 1940's, the government shifted gears and now serves the interests of industry and commercialism.
The openness that was introduced by Deng Xiaoping in the late-70's was meant to improve the lives of the people, but as the party saw how lucrative business was for their own interests, the interests of the people are put second-place.
The massive amount of nationalism that is seen throughout Han China is a result of national ambivalence toward government, as most citizens feel that it is detrimental to interfere in their own government- either through intimidation of being arrest or worse
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travel zen



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ Nice piece.

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I guess all the media blasting Bush for the New Orleans disaster, the two wars and the deficit among other things were just the product of my imagination. Likewise the opinion polls of Westerners outside of the U.S and Britain. Heck they even went after him when he made the simplest slip of the tongue multiple times.


Nothing was done about any of it. Did you know that talk is cheap ? Confused Whether we are fighting Eurasia or Eastasia ?
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's recall how far behind China is.

The Pentagon says China is still years away from deploying a stealth aircraft

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In late 2009 the deputy head of China's air force, General He Weirong, said the country's stealth fighter would be ready sometime between 2017 and 2019, reports said.


The US employed its F117A as early as 1983. The Persian Gulf War was a display of power that shocked the Chinese psyche. The Chinese will finally reach that level of technology only a full generation later.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined. Nobody is anywhere near as close.
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mises



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Here is how China has managed to industrialize without serious contractions:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2009-06/08/content_8260388.htm
Quote:
Four major State-owned banks showed unprecedented credit support to small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), according to a recent report.


China produces her own credit. Interest paid is paid to the state which funds additional credit. They're greenbacking their currency. The traditional business cycle is entirely irrelevant. They do make our mistake with is allocating far too much credit to housing, and this could cause problems (though not systemtic banking problems) and corruption is immense.

We should copy China.


I guess I'm not so clever:

Quote:
China's Creative Accountants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln-BV4dT_7g

I've never seen a msm reference to the most important difference between Chinese and American spending/debt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This summer there will six million university and college graduates who do not have a prayer of getting a job. None nada, zilch. no jobs. their family beg borrowed and stole to get them this education and all for nothing. Inflation is way over 10% and that is not factoring the increase in housing prices . When those college students hit the streets this summer facing no job, no house in the future watching the party bosses zip by in their new luxury cars, it might get a little tense.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rollo wrote:
This summer there will six million university and college graduates who do not have a prayer of getting a job. None nada, zilch. no jobs. their family beg borrowed and stole to get them this education and all for nothing. Inflation is way over 10% and that is not factoring the increase in housing prices . When those college students hit the streets this summer facing no job, no house in the future watching the party bosses zip by in their new luxury cars, it might get a little tense.


This has been the case for years. Only Chinese graduates with connections get proper jobs (many end up with low wage service jobs in the big cities). The nepotism in China is greater than in the US, if only because there are fewer opportunities for graduates in China (hard to believe, I know).

But civil unrest will never result in change in China. The lesson of Tiananmen: If local Beijing soldiers won't fire on student protesters, then just bring in farmers from the periphery who will.
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