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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Cheers for the feedback, folks. A holiday for a few months is sounding pretty good right now, farang. |
The weather is really bad in Thailand right now. The kids here tell me it is cold and miserable.
Nightly lows of 21-25.
Daily highs of 26-30
Mostly sunny with scattered high cloud and light breezes...
and it has been that way for the better part of 2 months now.
Makes me kinda wish I was back in Korea and freezing my arse off teaching winter camp (NOT)>.
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
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When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
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When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building. |
Have you never been comforted before? That's what I was doing. Stop your silly ranting and read the real meaning of what I wrote. I never mentioned fault. You just like to blather.
Also, if you'd read more of the OP's posts, you'd see that he tried, and the coteacher came as close to ignoring him as possible. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
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When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| Cheers for the feedback, folks. A holiday for a few months is sounding pretty good right now, farang. |
The weather is really bad in Thailand right now. The kids here tell me it is cold and miserable.
Nightly lows of 21-25.
Daily highs of 26-30
Mostly sunny with scattered high cloud and light breezes...
and it has been that way for the better part of 2 months now.
Makes me kinda wish I was back in Korea and freezing my arse off teaching winter camp (NOT)>.
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Yes, thanks for that ttom. I know it's hard for me to compete with Thai weather etc. But let's see:
- up at 5.30am in the dark
- commute 2.30 hours a day.
- arrive home in the dark.
- 1 month of morning camps
- 1 month (plus) deskwarming every afternoon.
- blue skies (somedays)
- Minus ???? in my kitchenette.
- bathroom = minus 8deg C (during my morning shower).
- Even colder on fist 20 mins of bus commute (till bus heater warms up).
- water coming through kitchenette's concrete walls and then freezing on the inside wall.
- mold starting to explode on kitchenette walls.
- 10 deg C when arrive home - then 3 hours for ondol to heat room to 18 degrees.
- forecast snow.
-Don't even get me started on the happy smiley demenour of my happy-go-lucky Confucian hosts (mai sanuk).
and so on......
"Mai pen lai." Only 30 more days till paradise.
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| methdxman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
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When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
that must feel like a shot to the gut. when she told you that you were being re-signed, i bet she knew all along that you weren't.
can you tell us more about why you might've gotten a low evaluation? |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| chellovek wrote: |
| methdxman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
I
When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
that must feel like a shot to the gut. when she told you that you were being re-signed, i bet she knew all along that you weren't.
can you tell us more about why you might've gotten a low evaluation? |
I'm guessing it's a toss-up between our poor relationship and me being crap, or maybe both. I'm not going to pretend that I'm super-teacher, but I always tried to make my lessons interesting and the kids seemed to like me.
I'm not looking for sympathy, mainly just how it would affect future employment if I came back. As a previous poster said, I shall have to chalk this up as experience. It was a tough place and God knows I bloody tried. *sigh* |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| methdxman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
I
When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
that must feel like a shot to the gut. when she told you that you were being re-signed, i bet she knew all along that you weren't.
can you tell us more about why you might've gotten a low evaluation? |
I'm guessing it's a toss-up between our poor relationship and me being crap, or maybe both. I'm not going to pretend that I'm super-teacher, but I always tried to make my lessons interesting and the kids seemed to like me.
I'm not looking for sympathy, mainly just how it would affect future employment if I came back. As a previous poster said, I shall have to chalk this up as experience. It was a tough place and God knows I bloody tried. *sigh* |
Can't give you advice on how to get another job, but I'm sure you will. And you'll probably be a much more effective teacher because of it. Hang in there. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| methdxman wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
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When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
The point is that you will be evaluated at your job until you retire. Even if you're CEO of a company you will be evaluated by the board of directors. This is life. There is no such thing as people that are just out to get you for no reason. If they are out to get you, they have a reason to do so whether it be fair or unfair. But if you did not try to mitigate this in anyway, this is your failure, period.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
that must feel like a shot to the gut. when she told you that you were being re-signed, i bet she knew all along that you weren't.
can you tell us more about why you might've gotten a low evaluation? |
I'm guessing it's a toss-up between our poor relationship and me being crap, or maybe both. I'm not going to pretend that I'm super-teacher, but I always tried to make my lessons interesting and the kids seemed to like me.
I'm not looking for sympathy, mainly just how it would affect future employment if I came back. As a previous poster said, I shall have to chalk this up as experience. It was a tough place and God knows I bloody tried. *sigh* |
I feel for you, man. Gettin' news like that ain't easy. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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Why do so many English teachers make this mistake? |
Most people aren't the brightest. That's why they are here in Korea. |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Why do so many English teachers make this mistake? |
Most people aren't the brightest. That's why they are here in Korea. |
Agree with the sentiment. However, back on topic  |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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No idea what it said. She said I was being re-signed until almost literally at the last moment she said "Sorry, you got a low evaluation score, you cannot re-sign." |
reading that makes me think it was a decision from someone higher up (than her) on the chain, but don't sweat too much over it. I'm sure you'll land right back up on your feet. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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That's terrible. I'm sorry to hear it.
*pat pat* <===heartfelt
As a wise person once said: onwards and upwards.
Screw that miserable hag (figuratively) and get a better job while she lives her miserable life with her miserable family. You're too good for that school. |
When you start blaming others for your professional evaluations you will never get anywhere in the professional world. It's not about finding another person to evaluate you or whatever. That's not addressing the root problem.
Succeeding in the professional world is all about making strong, meaningful connections. If you have failed to do that, you have failed to do that, period. Everything else is just an excuse or a "he had it in for me" whine.
You will also always be evaluated by your peers either formally or informally. You also have to handle your reputation quite skillfully amongst your peers because their official/unofficial opinion will also form part of your global company reputation.
The days of "Hey I'm a hard worker and I was evaluated unfairly" are long, long, long, long gone. It is YOUR responsibility to handle your reputation. If your reputation is damaged it is YOUR fault either through your work ethic, results, communication, or relationship-building.
(For the OP)
Seems like you knew what was coming. Chalk it up as experience, I'm sure you will be able to find another job just fine.
It sucks when you try to build a relationship with your boss/evaluator but can't. It's usually the person's who's higher in the hierarchy responsibility to establish the rules of the relationship.
What did the evaluation say? Was there some truth to it? |
Well, I'm going to say that I'm glad people like NYC_Gal 2.0 are on the cafe. She actually put in a nutshell what happens in Korea more often than not regarding these mythical 'professional evaluations'.
I don't know NYC_Gal 2.0 personally but maybe you need to know more about her before sermonising. From what I've seen on here, she actually worked in the world of publishing which is a very, very tough world to work in. I'm sure she's had more than her fair share of professional evaluations and I'm sure she knows how to deliver under pressure. 
Nearly all the jobs I've worked in have had professional evaluation from the top down or peer evaluation. The difference between those evaluations and I am sure the ones NYC_Gal 2.0 had and the ones for foreign English teachers in Korea is the word PROFESSIONALISM. This is what it's about bucko.
I've seen not one jot of professionalism going on in evaluations of foreign English teachers in Korea. I'm not claiming that no foreigner teaching Engish gets evaluated professionally as in seriously and above all ethically, striving for impartiality, in Korea.
But I've certainly experienced and heard first-hand of ludicrous 'evaluations' by vindictive children - high school and middle school students. Regardless of their being teenagers, their attitude certainly was the kneejerk reaction of children who gave terrible scores to me and other foreign teachers because we didn't let them sleep, play, caress each other, and text or even have their cellphones in class. 
Ask the university teachers here who have posted about how their students wrote that they were late for class, spoke Korean etc etc. This was based on pure revenge for grades that were merited by their lack of interest in and participation in their English course.
And many foreign teachers have experienced that phenomenon whereby it is not the quality of your class preparation, materials, teaching methods that count with Korean co teachers. It's how the Koreans are feeling about foreigners in their space, about their saving face for their own inadequacies at the subject they teach, about how they feel on the day, whether they're resentful or jealous or whatever.
Koreans play the game of pushing the person below them better than the other Asian societies I've worked in (Japanese and Taiwanese) and they certainly are more capricious than the Africans, Indians, Asians (in the sense we use back home), Middle Easterners, Germans, French, Poles and Dutch that I've worked with.
Koreans as co workers do not have the reputation of being rather difficult people among a fairly high proportion of foreigners for nothing, regardless of how there are foreigners who would not get along with anybody.
Have I experienced professional evaluations and peer evaluations outside Korea? Yes. Was I satisfied there were genuine efforts made to be as impartial as it is possible for people with differing personalities and affinities to be? Yes. Was there adequate preparation and education about the task that was to be performed? Yes. Were the evaluation methods satisfactory and not simplistic ones that leave it wide open for individuals with certain agendas to belittle the subject of the evaluation under the guise of giving an objective score? Yes.
Now - can you apply that to what happens in Korea to foreign teachers of English? In most cases you can't. Chellovek might have guessed it was coming but it still doesn't make him worthy of a bad evaluation if the usual Korean dynamics were at play. The lack of professionalism in Korea can be absolutely appalling.
My personal favourite is the way that some Korean teachers turn on the foreign teachers once they have departed the school after finishing their contract and doing the right thing. A potential employer calls and is left in no doubt of how 'terrible' the foreign teacher was largely based on immature and flakey students' whining and the qualities I mentioned earlier that some Koreans have an unpleasant tendency to show in the workplace to foreigners. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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Thanks, earthquakez.
Also, I never blamed anyone, if you read my post. I was comforting the OP. It's a crappy situation, but sometimes it can't be helped, no matter how how hard one tries. My coteacher is in her 50s and unmarried. This shouldn't matter, but you know that it does.
Just about all of the foreign teachers who work in my gu know of her, and those who have had the misfortune to work with her in various camps know my pain. Still, a little bribery ("I brought you a pastry from a new bakery I like!") and a Disney smile do wonders, even if you want to choke a b**ch. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| chellovek wrote: |
| Cheers for the feedback, folks. A holiday for a few months is sounding pretty good right now, farang. |
The weather is really bad in Thailand right now. The kids here tell me it is cold and miserable.
Nightly lows of 21-25.
Daily highs of 26-30
Mostly sunny with scattered high cloud and light breezes...
and it has been that way for the better part of 2 months now.
Makes me kinda wish I was back in Korea and freezing my arse off teaching winter camp (NOT)>.
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YOU LIE!!
it was cloudy all day yesterday with a smattering of rain
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