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creeper1
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 Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:10 am Post subject: Two points |
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There are 2 points that I want to make about this
1. With GEPIK, budget cuts are mainly aimed at high schools. What I am hearing is that elementary schools and middle schools will be spared. I think EPIK carries on as normal.
2. Chris_J2 you are flat out wrong. My vacation entitlement with GEPIK is 6 weeks. 3 in summer and 3 in winter. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:51 am Post subject: E vs G |
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| 2. Chris_J2 you are flat out wrong. My vacation entitlement with GEPIK is 6 weeks. 3 in summer and 3 in winter. |
No I am not. I can cut & paste the 20 days stipulation from my GEPIK contract on Monday, sooner if I can find it quickly on internet. Any additional leave is at the Principal's discretion.
Found it. Article 12 (Paid Leave) of the GEPIK contract states:
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Article 12(Paid Leave)
1. Employee shall be entitled to a paid leave for a total of twenty(20) working days during the term of the employment. Paid leave may be taken at any time school is not in session, and must be approved by school principal at least 15 days in advance. Weekends (Saturdays and Sundays) and the Korean National Holidays do not count as vacation days. If Employee renews the contract, up to 10 days of unused yearly paid leave may be rolled over to the new contract period. This carried over paid leave may be used in the new contract period, but it may not be rolled over into any subsequent contract period. |
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dyc
Joined: 16 Dec 2010
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Stalin84 wrote: |
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| lalartu wrote: |
| chances are better in GEPIK, |
I was told that GEPIK's school board is more picky than others (you need higher qualifications), but I'm not sure how accurate this is. |
Having attended a GEPIK teacher-training camp, I wouldn't say this is true at all. It looked like at least half the teachers at the camp (for JHS and HS teachers) were fresh out of university types. Pretty much the same as anywhere in Korea. |
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I'll co-sign with Stalin84. In fact, some of the teachers you meet at GEPIK training may make you wonder who they didnt cut. 
GEPIK is about the same as other areas. The difference might be that some of the locations in GEPIK are more desirable (as in more modern and closer to Seoul) so they may be a bit pickier. Gyeonggi being a huge province though, if you're open minded you can be put somewhere. |
Hmm, interesting. My recruiter told me that I should apply for EPIK instead of GEPIK because I might not be "qualified" enough to compete in Gyeonggi.
Why would they tell me that if it's not necessarily true? Should I avoid using this recruiter and just apply directly to GEPIK? |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:38 am Post subject: Re: E vs G |
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| 2. Chris_J2 you are flat out wrong. My vacation entitlement with GEPIK is 6 weeks. 3 in summer and 3 in winter. |
No I am not. I can cut & paste the 20 days stipulation from my GEPIK contract on Monday, sooner if I can find it quickly on internet. Any additional leave is at the Principal's discretion.
Found it. Article 12 (Paid Leave) of the GEPIK contract states:
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Article 12(Paid Leave)
1. Employee shall be entitled to a paid leave for a total of twenty(20) working days during the term of the employment. Paid leave may be taken at any time school is not in session, and must be approved by school principal at least 15 days in advance. Weekends (Saturdays and Sundays) and the Korean National Holidays do not count as vacation days. If Employee renews the contract, up to 10 days of unused yearly paid leave may be rolled over to the new contract period. This carried over paid leave may be used in the new contract period, but it may not be rolled over into any subsequent contract period. |
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he's probably counting the 2 weeks extra one gets for renewing a contract with the same school, which would make it 6. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: E v G |
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| he's probably counting the 2 weeks extra one gets for renewing a contract with the same school, which would make it 6. |
If he/she only took 10 days in his/her first year, & 30 days in their 2nd year, that still averages out at 20 days a year. 10+30, & 20+20 both = 40. You do NOT get extra leave. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:10 am Post subject: Re: E v G |
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| he's probably counting the 2 weeks extra one gets for renewing a contract with the same school, which would make it 6. |
If he/she only took 10 days in his/her first year, & 30 days in their 2nd year, that still averages out at 20 days a year. 10+30, & 20+20 both = 40. You do NOT get extra leave. |
if he/she is gepik they got 4 weeks their first year (possibly 5 if school is classified as rural)
if he/she stay with the same school, for every subsequent year they'll have
6 weeks (possibly 7 if rural)
I'm assuming his/her claim of 6 weeks is based on being at the same school for his/her 2nd year or beyond. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:19 am Post subject: |
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btw, are you sure EPIK only gives 14 days vacation?
Don't certain EPIK provinces/POE's offer 5 or even 6 weeks?
otherwise, why would one want to work for EPIK for a mere 14 days when that's barely more than one gets at a hagwon, and you're living in the middle of nowhere? (or in Korea's armpit, such as Incheon) |
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| dyc wrote: |
Hmm, interesting. My recruiter told me that I should apply for EPIK instead of GEPIK because I might not be "qualified" enough to compete in Gyeonggi.
Why would they tell me that if it's not necessarily true? Should I avoid using this recruiter and just apply directly to GEPIK? |
Apply directly if you can. The recruiter obviously has some connection that will benefit him financially so he'll try to cajole you into working where his connection is. He'll use several tricks to get you to agree with him. I've seen it before.
You can always try another recruiter, too. Maybe Footprints Recruiting. I've never used them but some of my friends did and they're happy.
The only thing you need to teach at any PS in Gyeonggi-do is a degree and a heartbeat. It might be a tiny bit more competitive these days though but keep at it. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: e vs g |
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| btw, are you sure EPIK only gives 14 days vacation? |
Yes I'm sure. I worked for Epik in 2008 & my co-teacher was only going to give me a 6 day summer vacation break, not 7. I argued with her & showed the contract to the VP. I got my 7 days. I was in Gyeongsangnamdo. I'm not sure what contract leave conditions Gangwondo or other provinces get.
I'm currently in my 2nd year with Gepik & did NOT receive any extra vacation time to the 20 days in my contract.
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if he/she stay with the same school, for every subsequent year they'll have
6 weeks (possibly 7 if rural) |
Got a link to a contract for that? I'm currently in a rural area of Gyeonggido. I did NOT get any extra leave. Should I have? |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: Re: e vs g |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
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| btw, are you sure EPIK only gives 14 days vacation? |
Yes I'm sure. I worked for Epik in 2008 & my co-teacher was only going to give me a 6 day summer vacation break, not 7. I argued with her & showed the contract to the VP. I got my 7 days. I was in Gyeongsangnamdo. I'm not sure what contract leave conditions Gangwondo or other provinces get.
I'm currently in my 2nd year with Gepik & did NOT receive any extra vacation time to the 20 days in my contract.
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if he/she stay with the same school, for every subsequent year they'll have
6 weeks (possibly 7 if rural) |
Got a link to a contract for that? I'm currently in a rural area of Gyeonggido. I did NOT get any extra leave. Should I have? |
if you're in your 2nd year with GEPIK with the SAME school, you should've received an additional 2 weeks vacation (home return leave)
re rural, you need to find out if your school is classified as a "rural school" (some are, some aren't, the rules are shady on what exactly requires for a school to be classified as such)
IF your school is classified as rural, you are entitled to an additional 100K a month and (and here they changed the contract as of 2010) an additional 5 working days (aka week) of vacation per the DISCRETION of the PRINCIPAL (used to be automatic, now they've changed it to principal's discretion). |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: E vs G |
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| Yes, you're right Vagabundo, I did get 2 weeks extra home leave, which I took in August 2010. I had 3 weeks in Australia. I'm in a rural area, but I don't think I got an extra week's vacation on top of the 20 days or home leave, or extra renumeration of 100k? It must be at the Principals discretion? My salary is now taxed at a higher rate too, as I have been in Korea more than 2 years. I've asked for payslips from my school several times, but just get ignored. Might try again in March, as I finish up mid April. I try to pick my battles carefully. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:18 am Post subject: Re: E vs G |
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| Yes, you're right Vagabundo, I did get 2 weeks extra home leave, which I took in August 2010. I had 3 weeks in Australia. I'm in a rural area, but I don't think I got an extra week's vacation on top of the 20 days or home leave, or extra renumeration of 100k? It must be at the Principals discretion? My salary is now taxed at a higher rate too, as I have been in Korea more than 2 years. I've asked for payslips from my school several times, but just get ignored. Might try again in March, as I finish up mid April. I try to pick my battles carefully. |
being in what you consider a "rural area" does NOT mean your school is automatically considered a "rural" school by the Korean POE.
You need to find out whether your school is considered a rural school by the Korean education offices, etc. Ask some other Korean teachers, they will tell you. They get extra "points" for working at what's classified as a "rural" school.
your higher tax rate is a normal thing, and the increase is a pimple on the elephant's behind. (70K a month or so?)
IF your school is indeed a rural school, your pay increase isn't at anyone's discretion. That's automatic. It's in the contract, and in fact may be written in the contract you sign (it was written in mine, they specify your pay class and in my case added the "rural bonus" of 100K)
as of the 2010 contract, the extra vacation has been made subject to the principal's 'discretion'. It was automatic/mandated prior to 2010. I'd be curious if anyone's principal had taken anyone's prior vacation away though. I'd say odds would be very low. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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look here:
http://www.korvia.com/downloads/contract_application/gepik_contract.pdf
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Article 13(Other Benefits)
1. The Employer shall provide the Employee with medical insurance pursuant to
The National Health Insurance Act of Korea(The National Health Insurance Act
states all government employees will be liable for 50% of costs). If the Employee
has his/her dependents living with him/her in Korea, the Employer shall also
provide health insurance for them.
2. The Employee who is working at a school in a designated rural area shall be
entitled to a paid allowance of 100,000 KRW every month. Also, at the discretion of
the Employer, an additional five (5) working days' paid leave can be given during
the contract term (designations for rural and non-rural areas are determined
individually by the undersigned Office of Education). |
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