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Junior
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 Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Are you proud of your country? |
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| BoholDiver wrote: |
| our history related to First Nations. |
Why not just say "indians"? "First nations" sounds so contrived and pathetic.
They've already lost their land and culture. Patronizing them with some PC name is hardly going to make up for everything, is it?.
INJUNS INJUNS INJUNS INJUNS |
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redaxe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Are you proud of your country? |
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I want to ask the people on this board about their opinion of their home country. What are you proud of and what are you ashamed of?
Proud:
Peaceful independence from England. |
When did that happen? Last time I checked the Queen of England was still your head of state. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| I used to be very patriotic, but my current position is that patriotism is a plague. |
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goniff
Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Dr Samuel Johnson summed it up well when he said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
still rings true... |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Korea has made me less patriotic... possibly out of spite. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
I agree with this.
Patriotism should be to participate and identify with the things your country does best. Patriotism is not "my country right or wrong." Patriotism is not adding your country's achievements to your resume.
But naturally patriotism would be a dirty word on a board full of ex-pats. |
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jwilks
Joined: 13 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
I agree with this.
Patriotism should be to participate and identify with the things your country does best. Patriotism is not "my country right or wrong." Patriotism is not adding your country's achievements to your resume.
But naturally patriotism would be a dirty word on a board full of ex-pats. |
That is what patriotism should be, but that is not what happens in practice. In practice those in positions of power, whether in the media or politics exploit patriotic feeling to gain support for horrendous crimes.
Patriotism ends up being the "virtue of the vicious". |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| goniff wrote: |
Dr Samuel Johnson summed it up well when he said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
still rings true... |
I've always liked George Bernard Shaw's opinion on the matter:
"Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy".
I would broadly agree, but there are certain things that make me feel more patriotic than they probably ought to - sport, and such like. On those rare occasions when Scotland wins anything, I do feel a greater affinity to and pride in my country. I can't particularly fathom why, I just do. |
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jwilks
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| morrisonhotel wrote: |
| goniff wrote: |
Dr Samuel Johnson summed it up well when he said:
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"
still rings true... |
I've always liked George Bernard Shaw's opinion on the matter:
"Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy".
I would broadly agree, but there are certain things that make me feel more patriotic than they probably ought to - sport, and such like. On those rare occasions when Scotland wins anything, I do feel a greater affinity to and pride in my country. I can't particularly fathom why, I just do. |
I'm the same way. The Olympics make me shout, "U - S - A" like some sort of mad man. It all in good fun though. |
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conrad2
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OP,
You are proud that Canada didnt take part in the Iraq war. How do you feel that Canada fought in the Afghan war? |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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I am not proud of Canada because if it were such a great country there wouldn't be so many Canadian in Korea. Canada is/has failed a large part of it's population. How many university educated people are working in Korea or in a coffee shop, living pay check to pay check in a rented apartment.
To me when I see a Philipino factory worker here vs. a Canadian English teacher, both are because their country has failed them.
Canada has a proud history, but presently doesn't have much to be proud for I think. All the rich people I know either 1) had rich parents, or 2) came to Canada rich. I know only one kid from my school that got rich (a muni-bond trader, and I wonder if he's got a job now?). The non-rich people I know are basically bumbling along. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| We 'Westerners' typically don't feel that we are part of something larger than ourselves. We have an atomised consciousness. I wouldn't encourage an artificial patriotism, but things like "I'm not proud of things I haven't done" both miss the point and are just rationalisations of a spiritual fait accompli. |
So, what is the point of being proud of your country?
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| To me when I see a Philipino factory worker here vs. a Canadian English teacher, both are because their country has failed them. |
Most of my Canadian friends here would not fall into that catagory. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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I have many questions:
Does the proud feeling only exist in human beings?
Are children born with the sense of pride? (can you measure the pride?)
If yes, is there any relation with evolution, what would it be? |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Wow not much pride going on here! Koreans seem very proud of their Country. Though I tend to believe a Country that pretty much holds a language to themselves gets a great sense of pride built into them, a feeling that they are unique and ofcourse limited to only understanding other Koreans.
Having lived overseas its easy to highlight why you may not be so proud.
But for the OP I am proud of Australia in many ways. |
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